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Author:  fatboy [ Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Kiss Close Help
Hey guys, I am new to the game, and from you all so far I have learned a lot.
I opened a girl, etc etc got her number, and texted a few times. Now I am going to ring her at some point and arrange to get some hot chocolate, and get to know eachother better.

The thing is though...she has a BF. But she doesn't like him as much as a girl should like her BF, so I don't feel bad about this.

When and how should I get the K close, so that I do not get friend zoned?


All help much appreciated!

Keep sarging guys :)
Author:  Mech [ Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:09 pm ]
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1) Coffee dates are for AFCs. Do something a little less cliche and more fun.

2) Don't try to kiss close before running a boyfriend destroyer routine. Search the forums for the term "Boyfriend Destroyer" (this has been asked and answered many times before).

3) Be careful not to telegraph that you're interested. Girls with boyfriends are usually very sensitive to when they're being hit on.
Author:  fatboy [ Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:11 pm ]
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Thanks Mech for your help.

What kind of date would you recommend? I thougt a coffee date was a good idea, not cinema or something.

Thanks I know a couple boyfriend destroyers which I can use if the topic comes up. All from this site :D

I tried not to telegraph interest. I am still trying. When should I show my interest?



Sorry for all the questions, I am new to this game, but loving it already.

Thanks guys :)
Author:  Mech [ Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:33 pm ]
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Thanks Mech for your help.

What kind of date would you recommend? I thougt a coffee date was a good idea, not cinema or something.
The reasons coffee dates are bad are:

1) Everyone does coffee dates (AFCs). A PUA must be the exception to the trend.

2) Taking someone out for coffee or to a movie does not say anything about you, except that you don't know anywhere interesting to go. Find somewhere eclectic, know your city, pick up a local weekly paper if you don't know the secret hot spots.

I don't know where you live, but the following are dates I have had success with in Washington, DC: Going out to dinner at an ETHIOPIAN restaurant (no silverware or plates), going to the zoo and having lunch across the street, teaching a girl how to rock climb, hiking a trail that ends at a gorgeous waterfall, going to this little-known place that sells the best falafel in town, going to a quirky cafe (not starbucks/caribou coffee/crazy mocha/etc..) where they play live music and there are couches instead of chairs. The whole idea is to offer the girl an experience, not just a cup of coffee and a forced conversation.

3) Any date where it's just you, your date and some unremarkable food/beverages will boil down to 90 minutes of high-pressure awkward conversation. If you can move the whole scene into some quirky/active/interesting environment, you will both have more fun and you won't have to focus on getting to know each other -- it will just happen.
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Thanks I know a couple boyfriend destroyers which I can use if the topic comes up. All from this site :D

I tried not to telegraph interest. I am still trying. When should I show my interest?
I have never used a boyfriend destroyer, but all the ones that I know entail not showing interest until you sense that she is identifying boyfriend-like qualities in you. You have to reframe her current relationship in her mind and then reframe her perception of you.
Author:  fatboy [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:41 am ]
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he reasons coffee dates are bad are:

1) Everyone does coffee dates (AFCs). A PUA must be the exception to the trend.

2) Taking someone out for coffee or to a movie does not say anything about you, except that you don't know anywhere interesting to go. Find somewhere eclectic, know your city, pick up a local weekly paper if you don't know the secret hot spots.

Ah good points there, thanks mate, gold advice!

I don't know where you live, but the following are dates I have had success with in Washington, DC: Going out to dinner at an ETHIOPIAN restaurant (no silverware or plates), going to the zoo and having lunch across the street, teaching a girl how to rock climb, hiking a trail that ends at a gorgeous waterfall, going to this little-known place that sells the best falafel in town, going to a quirky cafe (not starbucks/caribou coffee/crazy mocha/etc..) where they play live music and there are couches instead of chairs.
""The whole idea is to offer the girl an experience, not just a cup of coffee and a forced conversation.""

I will remember that quote, thank you mate :)

3) Any date where it's just you, your date and some unremarkable food/beverages will boil down to 90 minutes of high-pressure awkward conversation. If you can move the whole scene into some quirky/active/interesting environment, you will both have more fun and you won't have to focus on getting to know each other -- it will just happen.



I have never used a boyfriend destroyer, but all the ones that I know entail not showing interest until you sense that she is identifying boyfriend-like qualities in you. You have to reframe her current relationship in her mind and then reframe her perception of you.
Thank you very much for all of that mate, solid advice and thanks for taking the time to reply.

I have a good date in mind, and Im sure it can't be that hard to find some more good ones.



I have one LAST question though, which really relates to all PU:

When do I KCLose? After A3? Into C1? I am really not sure about this part. Thank you so much for all of you help =]
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