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| Author: | mattarama [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:52 pm ] |
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First off, I should start by saying I am a virgin. However, my GF is not. I have loads and loads of knowledge in terms of PUA and techniques, started reading it all when I was even just a kid, but my problem is I have no experience, and lack of experience creates hesitation. Anyway...I've come to the point where I believe we don't have sex because I demonstrated some very AFC-like habits early in the relationship, and she convinced herself she doesn't want to have sex with someone or something like that. I personally, believe, that I have made the change in myself, in terms of my actions and my personality, to look less AFC, and more alpha-male like. We're still not having sex. Sometimes, I even think that the only reason we're not having sex is because of me. I know of building sexual tension, anticipation, etc, but I never build it because I am waiting for some obvious tells that she wants to have sex, i'm starting to think these tells don't exist and I'm just acting like a pussy. I believe these to be tells, correct me if i'm wrong: I've had my girlfriend pull me closer while we're making out (almost violently) My girlfriend decides, sometimes, that while I'm laying down, the best seat for her is, the same way a woman would sit during woman on top sex. I gave off the notion that I didn't want sex at the beginning of the relationship...Big mistake. Everytime we are together, it leads to very many and long makeout sessions, and my hands remaining away from the no-no spots, I know errogenous zones, but I stay away from her boobs, ass, and vagina, out of, fear of rejection Anyway, how do I seduce and Fclose my girlfriend? I believe I have the techniques...but I'd love to know what you guys think of this situation, and how to know when to do certain things, or if you think I should just do it. ALSO: I know she wasn't sexually pleased with her last relationship, and I REALLY want to show her the 3-before-me cunilingus techniques, so, basically, i'd really like to go down on her. Maybe, I could go down on her without having sex, thus changing her idea of sex completely and having her want more? But, I really need help with the hesitation, and the waiting for signs, etc. Your help would be appreciated, thank you for reading such a long post. |
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| Author: | SilkyD [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:58 pm ] |
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I think you gotta try something. You guys consistently make out and she's even being aggressive in doing so. The next logical step is to escalate. The next time you get in a hot make out with her, just try grabbing her chest or rubbing your hand on her crotch, but over her pants. That's all you can do really....you can always try a back massage with oils. Could sound corny to some, but it works very well for me. Point is, you need to do something. She wouldn't be wasting her time making out with you if she didn't expect physical escalation in the future. Try letting your hands wander at the right time...chances are, she won't stop you. If she does, she might tell you why. If she doesn't tell you why, then freeze her out enough to make her question her behavior. It's not like you guys just met, you've put in the time, and she'll recognize that. |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:14 pm ] |
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So, basically you think that it's just my fear of rejection that's getting in the way? And possibly, her fear of rejection, stopping her from doing anything? I'd imagine she feels i'm oblivious to the whole thing, and she might get fed up. And I keep rationalizing that if I had tried much earlier to have sex with her I wouldn't have a problem getting rejected, but this late into the relationship it seems like such a scary thing. But yeah...I'll just have to go for it. Do you have any other signs I could look out for, just to reinforce my confidence when I go for it? |
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| Author: | SilkyD [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:30 pm ] |
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If the make outs are still goin on...that's clearly a major sign. I wouldn't worry about not having done anything earlier...that might even be why she likes you. Maybe she thinks you're genuine. If she hasn't made any offensive moves on you, she's clearly waiting for you. I think it's come to a point where you have to be the one to escalate. Usually, consistent make outs is enough indication in itself. But one sign that says she might be ready for you is if she grabs you really hard...just showing aggressiveness in general. If she does that same thing where she pulls you in violently, match her intensity. Do the same, maybe grab her legs and pull them over you right after she does that. Another thing you can try is, while making out, pull back from her and give her this sexy smile like you know what's about to happen next. I don't think you necessarily need a sign (always helpful however), like I said, making out over and over is enough to know that she wants more. Who likes just making out? Do you? I fuckin hate it lol. Girls don't get sexual satisfaction from it either. So, try a move next time you make out...being in a relationship, the most she'll say is "I'm not ready for that" or w/e else...The consequence doesn't compare to the reward. |
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| Author: | SilkyD [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:35 pm ] |
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In addition to my last post, I'd recommend trying to block out your pua knowledge. I think the fact that you are inexperienced is maybe making you overthink things. Maybe not, but just a thought. If so, just try to block out everything and remember the sticking points for the situation you're in. |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:40 pm ] |
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I'll just have to go for it. Thanks for all the advice. Another thing that is confusing, is, at times when we're making out, she'll be like: We look like the horniest people ever, but we're not. Although, that could be a woman's way of saying she wants sex indirectly, the fact that she mentions sex at all is a clue, right? |
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| Author: | SilkyD [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:48 pm ] |
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Haha, that is a wierd thing to hear. If she had said that to me, and I was on the clock (so-to-speak), I'd probably just say something like "What? Your not?" with a lil laugh afterwards, or something like "speak for yourself". That immediately puts things back on her. She'd know where you stand, and at the same time, you're not taking things too serious. You have to make her react to something bold. She's grown too comfortable at this point. Put her on her heels with by makin a physical move or if she says something similar to what she said before, get your point across that you're there to fuck without sounding so barbaric. |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:59 pm ] |
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So basically, I have put this idea in her head that I don't want to have sex, and I need to remove it without sounding like sex is ALL I want? It seems like I just need to grow a pair of balls and escalate physically, and counter her words like you said. The proper mindset would be: I know she wants to have sex with me. I just need to get into that mindset. It helped to get it all into words though, it allowed me to gather my thoughts, and of course get some advice from you. Thanks. If you, or anyone else, have any more tips, then please feel free to speak your mind. |
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| Author: | Adonis Spyridon [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:04 pm ] |
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Based on my experience let me just say that if a girl is getting more aggressive with you during makeouts (especially if she is sitting on top of you cowgirl style) what she is trying to do is satisfy that sexual crave the best she can without actually telling you "I want sex." Does this mean she doesn't actually want it? Not at all, she wants it or she would not be doing it. She just can't be that direct until after you guys have already done the big nasty at least once or else she could run the risk of feeling like she's crossed some border. <p>Those weird comments that she makes during makeouts I would take as she's trying to gauge your feelings or thoughts or basically what's going through your head. She's trying to find out what you want. We've already established that she most likely wants sex, she wants to know that you do too. <p>And if nothing else you had previously made her think you didn't want sex, alright fine, that's not a big deal. Now just put it in her head that you do want sex. Start doing those things that SilkyD suggested, rub her crotch outside her pants, and then if you're feeling really bold, take her hand and put it on your chest or abdomen and as you make out slowly move it down to where it matters. <p>Is it escalation? yes, but don't think about it as techniques that you need to do correctly. It's pleasure, let it come naturally, and as long as you're not like raping her I'm sure she'll respond well to it. And if you really have no idea how to escalate check out the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder, it's pretty awesome. |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:05 am ] |
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Thanks...I especially find the escalation ladder useful, it really compresses a lot of useful kino stages into one small article. |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:14 am ] |
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Also, where should I place condoms? hahah. |
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| Author: | SilkyD [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:25 am ] |
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Usually they go on your dick...lol |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:33 am ] |
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Hahahaha! No, I mean like...Spots to put them in my room. Wallets break them, and having to go to far to fetch them ruins the mood, so i've heard. I've heard of one guy putting them in between his bed frame. I'm probably just thinking too much about the situation, but I heard that not having it ready and on hand can really ruin a moment, but a moment can also be ruined if the condoms are found. Anyway, i probably don't have much to worry about in terms of all of this and should just work on getting sex first. lol. |
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| Author: | Adonis Spyridon [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:21 pm ] |
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put them in your back pack and put it right next to your bed, nonchalantly |
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| Author: | mattarama [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:23 pm ] |
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Was going to go for it today, but she's on her period. I just ended up testing her. She doesn't react badly to 'incidental' stimulation of her crotch by my forearm (when laying down) and held my hand where it was when i had it on her ass under her pants. looks like i was just, and still am a pussy. haha. |
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