PUA Forum :: This thing is keeping my game from going to the next level..

first and foremost, relying on a HB to call you back is a mistake. They will either forget and not do it or they will flake. Also, leaving voice mail 9 times out of 10 will get you no where. Most of the time the voice mails are screened. If you get her voice mail don't leave anything, she will see the missed call (assuming cell phone here). Another note, don't call repeatedly, like 2 times a day maximum and no less that 6 hours apart. You don't want to seem needy or desperate.

A step you could have taken to keep from relying on her to call back would have been saying something like when she said she was about to work out you say something like "It's cool I was just about to let you go and ____________. I'll call later when you aren't trying to keep yourself sexy for me." This should be conveyed as C&F. Also, make sure you are the first to hang up. This shows you have other things to do than sit on the phone with her. As a side note, remaining on the phone too long can convey neediness, etc. So a rule of thumb is to call just to set up a date, etc. No longer than you have to. Let the other conversation happen in person.

My two cents.
Iggi

Author:	A Minor [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:24 pm ]
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Hey guys, So on Saturday night I met his chick at a hotel and # closed. Put my name in her phone book, "the man of your dreams", haha, and did not send my usual next day cocky/funny text as she seemed a bit older/more serious. Anyways, I call her up on Monday. I get a quick shit test "who is this?" to which I responded "we both know who this is...", she asked again, I told her again and also told her I put my title in her phone. Some giggles and she finally broke and said hello how are you. So, I go into a usual phone routine, similar to stuff we were talking about in person so I know she's interested in it, but she had just arrived to the gym and was about to start her personal training. Though the call only lasted 3-4 mins, she throw some IOIs at the end ("well it was nice talking to you... should I call you back tonight or tomorrow?"). I told her to use her discretion as to whether to call me back that night or the next day (I didn't want her calling me too late). Anyways, Tuesday goes by and no phone call and thus my question: What to do next? A) Send her a text today or tomorrow such as "Should I tell the police to look for serious girl (inside joke) kidnapped by her personal trainer?" B) Wait and call her next week, if hit with voice mail leave something similar C) Other? I get crap like this a lot, so I'd REALLY love some input here guys. Thank you so much, Minor

Author:	IgnisFatuus [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:09 pm ]
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first and foremost, relying on a HB to call you back is a mistake. They will either forget and not do it or they will flake. Also, leaving voice mail 9 times out of 10 will get you no where. Most of the time the voice mails are screened. If you get her voice mail don't leave anything, she will see the missed call (assuming cell phone here). Another note, don't call repeatedly, like 2 times a day maximum and no less that 6 hours apart. You don't want to seem needy or desperate. A step you could have taken to keep from relying on her to call back would have been saying something like when she said she was about to work out you say something like "It's cool I was just about to let you go and ____________. I'll call later when you aren't trying to keep yourself sexy for me." This should be conveyed as C&F. Also, make sure you are the first to hang up. This shows you have other things to do than sit on the phone with her. As a side note, remaining on the phone too long can convey neediness, etc. So a rule of thumb is to call just to set up a date, etc. No longer than you have to. Let the other conversation happen in person. My two cents. Iggi

Author:	A Minor [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:42 pm ]
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Quote: first and foremost, relying on a HB to call you back is a mistake. They will either forget and not do it or they will flake. Also, leaving voice mail 9 times out of 10 will get you no where. Most of the time the voice mails are screened. If you get her voice mail don't leave anything, she will see the missed call (assuming cell phone here). Another note, don't call repeatedly, like 2 times a day maximum and no less that 6 hours apart. You don't want to seem needy or desperate. A step you could have taken to keep from relying on her to call back would have been saying something like when she said she was about to work out you say something like "It's cool I was just about to let you go and ____________. I'll call later when you aren't trying to keep yourself sexy for me." This should be conveyed as C&F. Also, make sure you are the first to hang up. This shows you have other things to do than sit on the phone with her. As a side note, remaining on the phone too long can convey neediness, etc. So a rule of thumb is to call just to set up a date, etc. No longer than you have to. Let the other conversation happen in person. My two cents. Iggi Iggi, Thank you for your response. I like a lot of what you said. Regarding time on the phone, mind you the call was less than 4 minutes so I don't think thats an issue. I assume then you are suggesting that I wait till next week?

Author:	IgnisFatuus [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:51 pm ]
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Honestly, I can't really answer that just by reading your situation. I would make the decision based on how the conversations went prior. If they went rather well I don't see an issue with trying to call her again soon. If the last conversation was kind of awkward then you might want to try again later. Also, continuing to game keeps you from dwelling on it so much so finding new girls can be good too. Go with your gut. We males have a good gut and we should trust it more often. If you feel as though the convos have been going well maybe call her up and see if she wants to meet up for a drink or something. If not so well then maybe send her a text (I don't like suggesting that but....) if you would feel more comfortable try that. Good luck! Iggi

Author:	A Minor [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:38 am ]
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Thanks again Iggi. This was actually our first convo. I'm gonna go ahead and wait a week and throw another phone call her way... Im getting sick of texting in an attempt to reintroduce a convo

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Author:	Head First [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:20 am ]
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there is a fine line between being needy and being persistent.. you cant wait on a HB to call you back... but then again you cant stalk her... i like the three strike your out rule.. you make contact with her three times.. if you dont get what your after be it a IOI, date, hand job, what ever then you delete her number... If your still calling her after 3 fails it comes of afc.. by deleting her number you give her what i like to call the force freeze out!

Author:	A Minor [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:23 pm ]
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Quote: there is a fine line between being needy and being persistent.. you cant wait on a HB to call you back... but then again you cant stalk her... i like the three strike your out rule.. you make contact with her three times.. if you dont get what your after be it a IOI, date, hand job, what ever then you delete her number... If your still calling her after 3 fails it comes of afc.. by deleting her number you give her what i like to call the force freeze out! Ok, so plan confirmed. Next week I'll give her a call. Judging by the tone of the previous conversation, I'm sure she'll welcome it.

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