PUA Forum :: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone

Forget that.

The more important question is WHY is there no escalation? Use common sense here: if she has agreed to go out with you 4 times, do you think she's maybe into you?

After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest.

Much like a guy would if a girl showed no physical interest after so long.

So why no escalation? You're the man. You lead. This is your responsibility. You're afraid? Waiting for her to do it? She won't. She's waiting for you to do it

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100% Agree my dude. I got to take responsibility.

Going with that if she does agree to go out with me a 5th time its not too late for me to sack up and escalate?

I should take her agreeing to go out again as a sign of interest not having been lost yet.

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Yes you should. You need to make a move though. I'm surprised you got to 4 dates.

After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest.

So am I now in hindsight. We were suppose to possibly go out tomorrow but she flaked and suggested weekend instead which is making me think she isn't interested.

Not even sure it is worth pursuing anymore maybe the damage has already been done.

Not always the case, usually the case, but why don't you kiss her on date 5 and find out instead of asking us?

However, the character that has to ask whether or not he's in that zone is a character that reflects a man who's unconfident, unsure of himself that doesn't go after what he wants. If you were made up of this stuff that gets you laid, you would of found out whether or no there was attraction a long time ago.

Who's paying for the dates? And whats occurring on these dates?

Just a quick update.

Time ran out and I missed my shot.
She started acting weird, taking longer to reply to texts. I was suppose to call her today to sort out Saturday. I call her she doesn't reply...... (cool she's busy) then she posts a pic on her snap story......... I call and again no answer.
Then a text saying she's sorry she has plans Saturday...... Decided to save face and the little part of non- bitch status by replying "yeah I got the hint when you didn't answer. Wish you the best and a goodlife. Bye."

Time to learn, regroup, research and move on to the next with better results.

Author:	pichuchu [ Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Hi everybody. I've been lurking the forums and working on my pick up game and when it comes to opening and getting numbers I'm ok. Recently I met a girl in a non club environment and been out with her 4 times but there has been no real escalation. All my friends are telling me that many dates with a girl and not kissing her= friendzone which to me makes sence but is this always the case?

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:00 pm ]
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Forget that. The more important question is WHY is there no escalation? Use common sense here: if she has agreed to go out with you 4 times, do you think she's maybe into you? After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest. Much like a guy would if a girl showed no physical interest after so long. So why no escalation? You're the man. You lead. This is your responsibility. You're afraid? Waiting for her to do it? She won't. She's waiting for you to do it

Author:	pichuchu [ Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:59 pm ]
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Quote: Forget that. The more important question is WHY is there no escalation? Use common sense here: if she has agreed to go out with you 4 times, do you think she's maybe into you? After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest. Much like a guy would if a girl showed no physical interest after so long. So why no escalation? You're the man. You lead. This is your responsibility. You're afraid? Waiting for her to do it? She won't. She's waiting for you to do it 100% Agree my dude. I got to take responsibility. Going with that if she does agree to go out with me a 5th time its not too late for me to sack up and escalate? I should take her agreeing to go out again as a sign of interest not having been lost yet.

Author:	Dragula [ Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:03 pm ]
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Go for the kiss on this 5th date. Have the mindset that if you don't go for it this time, she will friend zone you. So you have nothing to lose, right? It's not even risky at this point. Not at any point is a date for that matter. Search all of the Internet "how to kiss a girl" , "how to escalate" and just give a bunch of the videos a watch. Put it in your mind. Man up or otherwise someone else who did try will boink her

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:39 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Forget that. The more important question is WHY is there no escalation? Use common sense here: if she has agreed to go out with you 4 times, do you think she's maybe into you? After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest. Much like a guy would if a girl showed no physical interest after so long. So why no escalation? You're the man. You lead. This is your responsibility. You're afraid? Waiting for her to do it? She won't. She's waiting for you to do it 100% Agree my dude. I got to take responsibility. Going with that if she does agree to go out with me a 5th time its not too late for me to sack up and escalate? I should take her agreeing to go out again as a sign of interest not having been lost yet. Yes you should. You need to make a move though. I'm surprised you got to 4 dates.

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Author:	pichuchu [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Quote: Quote: Quote: Forget that. The more important question is WHY is there no escalation? Use common sense here: if she has agreed to go out with you 4 times, do you think she's maybe into you? After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest. Much like a guy would if a girl showed no physical interest after so long. So why no escalation? You're the man. You lead. This is your responsibility. You're afraid? Waiting for her to do it? She won't. She's waiting for you to do it 100% Agree my dude. I got to take responsibility. Going with that if she does agree to go out with me a 5th time its not too late for me to sack up and escalate? I should take her agreeing to go out again as a sign of interest not having been lost yet. Yes you should. You need to make a move though. I'm surprised you got to 4 dates. So am I now in hindsight. We were suppose to possibly go out tomorrow but she flaked and suggested weekend instead which is making me think she isn't interested. Not even sure it is worth pursuing anymore maybe the damage has already been done.

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:13 am ]
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Quote: After 2 dates (even 1) - if you don't escalate, it's not so much a friendzone problem but rather a "she's sick of waiting for your prude ass to make a move" -- and she'll just lose interest. Is this not the same thing? Quote: So am I now in hindsight. We were suppose to possibly go out tomorrow but she flaked and suggested weekend instead which is making me think she isn't interested. Surprised this didn't happen sooner. Quote: Not even sure it is worth pursuing anymore maybe the damage has already been done. Of course it's worth pursuing further. You already spent four dates, you might as well go all the way and get the hard friend zone answer, "I just don't think you're my type. Let's be friends." it's either that or kiss close, but hell don't stop there go for it all if you get the shot.

Author:	Jay (Majik) [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Go meet more girls

Author:	Eddie Fews [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Not always the case, usually the case, but why don't you kiss her on date 5 and find out instead of asking us? However, the character that has to ask whether or not he's in that zone is a character that reflects a man who's unconfident, unsure of himself that doesn't go after what he wants. If you were made up of this stuff that gets you laid, you would of found out whether or no there was attraction a long time ago. Who's paying for the dates? And whats occurring on these dates?

Author:	pichuchu [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Quote: Not always the case, usually the case, but why don't you kiss her on date 5 and find out instead of asking us? However, the character that has to ask whether or not he's in that zone is a character that reflects a man who's unconfident, unsure of himself that doesn't go after what he wants. If you were made up of this stuff that gets you laid, you would of found out whether or no there was attraction a long time ago. Who's paying for the dates? And whats occurring on these dates? Agree with that analysis dude, and working on that. Paying = I would say mostly me ( definitely the first one was me 100%). That a bad thing? What's happening= Just getting to know each other really and having fun. Hugging, ticking (when I found out she was ticklish) and just generally being playful.

Author:	pichuchu [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Just a quick update. Time ran out and I missed my shot. She started acting weird, taking longer to reply to texts. I was suppose to call her today to sort out Saturday. I call her she doesn't reply...... (cool she's busy) then she posts a pic on her snap story......... I call and again no answer. Then a text saying she's sorry she has plans Saturday...... Decided to save face and the little part of non- bitch status by replying "yeah I got the hint when you didn't answer. Wish you the best and a goodlife. Bye." Time to learn, regroup, research and move on to the next with better results.

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Quote: Just a quick update. Time ran out and I missed my shot. She started acting weird, taking longer to reply to texts. I was suppose to call her today to sort out Saturday. I call her she doesn't reply...... (cool she's busy) then she posts a pic on her snap story......... I call and again no answer. Then a text saying she's sorry she has plans Saturday...... Decided to save face and the little part of non- bitch status by replying "yeah I got the hint when you didn't answer. Wish you the best and a goodlife. Bye." Time to learn, regroup, research and move on to the next with better results. This is how you grow... Next time escalate.

Author:	Eddie Fews [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
Quote: Just a quick update. Time ran out and I missed my shot. She started acting weird, taking longer to reply to texts. I was suppose to call her today to sort out Saturday. I call her she doesn't reply...... (cool she's busy) then she posts a pic on her snap story......... I call and again no answer. Then a text saying she's sorry she has plans Saturday...... Decided to save face and the little part of non- bitch status by replying "yeah I got the hint when you didn't answer. Wish you the best and a goodlife. Bye." Time to learn, regroup, research and move on to the next with better results. Great. Next time don't even reply. She's knows she didn't answer and she knows why. The best way to stick it to someone is not even say a thing. More attention is more value.

Author:	pichuchu [ Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Help with Dates + avoiding friendzone
I take it you guys don't recommend "recycling" the number and trying it again with her after a while? If so how long would you guys recommend waiting?

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Author:	Eddie Fews [ Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:23 pm ]
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Well I recommend this: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620