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Author:  Montclair [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Any suggestions after 2nd date?
Met her on OKC. First date was drinks, light touching, drove her back to her place. Setup a 2nd date 2 weeks later and I had to cancel due to family matters. I called to tell her a couple hours before we were supposed to meet and she was understanding. During the phone conversation I tried to setup a date for the next weeknight and she said she does not go out on school nights. She works until 7, does not get home until after 8. A few days later setup a lunch date for yesterday. She ended up inviting me over to her place for lunch. I brought food and wine. While watching TV after we ate, I tried to make out twice, was unable. Hung out for a while longer and told her I was leaving. Parted without a kiss.

Am I friend zoned?

When or should I contact her?
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
Judging by your post.

-Interest level LOW.

If it was High she'd be blowing up your phone.

Wait a couple days, pursue other girls, and interests.

If nothing in a few days, re-open with something like; "I saw something to day that reminded me of you.... Then I flushed."

Or; "I was taking a big dump, and I remembered I haven't heard from you in a while, where you captured by a
Yeti?"

Friend zoned? No. She's off exploring her other OKC prospects.
Author:  Montclair [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
She gave me some food she cooked the night before, and some of the cake I assume she made for me considering it was whole when she cut it at lunch as I was leaving. She avoided getting close enough for me to make one last try at a kiss.

I texted her that the food was delicious last night she replied "I'm so glad you liked it!" and I have not contacted her since.

I agree about waiting a few days and I'm always pursuing other girls, and interests. I was just a bit baffled about the invite to her apartment.

One question about your text suggestions. She is 39 and I'm 51 do you think those kind of texts work in this age bracket?
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
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I was just a bit baffled about the invite to her apartment.

She gave me some food she cooked the night before, and some of the cake I assume she made for me considering it was whole when she cut it at lunch as I was leaving. She avoided getting close enough for me to make one last try at a kiss.

She invited you to try to fuck her.

Well you didn't challenge her LMR very much, you gave up early.

Was she avoiding? Or were YOU not pulling her in?
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She is 39 and I'm 51 do you think those kind of texts work in this age bracket?
Likely more-so.
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I texted her that the food was delicious last night she replied "I'm so glad you liked it!" and I have not contacted her since.
And again you dropped the ball.

- "Would rather have a taste of those sweet lips!"
Author:  Montclair [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
She was avoiding, I stroked her hair, held her hand, etc.. I didn't have a chance.

You think after she turned me down that I should have tried to move it along in texts that same night?

I texted her, so as to let her know that I was not put off by her rejection, so I didn't want to continue texting after her reply.
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
You've left out points in the conversation I'm guessing.
Author:  Montclair [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
the text conversation was me telling her the dish she sent me home with was delicious and her reply.

I'll probably text her on Wednesday to setup a date for this weekend but I don't know where we should go.
Author:  DW-Heart-Charmer [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
You leave some key details out:
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Met her on OKC. First date was drinks, light touching, drove her back to her place.
Why didn't you close here? Gotta do it here. You lose interest from her when she wants to close and you don't do it.
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During the phone conversation I tried to setup a date for the next weeknight and she said she does not go out on school nights.
That's a pretty big iod. Likely bc what you didn't do on the first date. Would there be a man that she dates on a school night? I guarantee there is!
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I brought food and wine.
This says I want to be the boyfriend. May or may not be true here for you, but the guy who comes for sex at lunch doesn't bring flowers.
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While watching TV after we ate, I tried to make out twice, was unable. Hung out for a while longer and told her I was leaving.
That hurts. Gotta close when you first get the opportunity.
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When or should I contact her?
Never. Do you really want to go through fuckless lunch dates again?
Author:  On A Rampage [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
PERSISTENCE is key for last minute resistance.
Author:  Montclair [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
I wasn't receiving any encouragement to continue. To push on would have become awkward and creepy. It seems the consensus is that I made many mistakes.

My question at this point is if I am feeling foolhardy and wish to continue this pursuit, what is my next move?
Author:  R.C [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
Let it cool for a while and set up another date. Just don't do lunch or other day time activities, there's no point.
Author:  Montclair [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
I'm thinking about going to a movie, escalate during, and getting back to her apartment. She commutes to work into Manhattan and does not have a car, so the logistics of getting her to my place would prove very difficult.

This is going to be make or break.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
Read: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620
Author:  Montclair [ Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any suggestions after 2nd date?
Is to not contact her the jest of it?
Author:  R.C [ Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:52 am ]
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Don't go for a movie. Movies dates are for people who already have a solid basis of knowing each other.

Go for a few drinks. Sit next to each other or at a 90 degree angle and escalate.
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