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Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Challenging HB10 is killing me
OK I don't usually ask advices for day 2s and escalation part of the game.

But there is very challenging HB10 - not only she is gorgeous, she is also very clever.

- We had a date and she started doing kino - she touched my hands first during conversation.
- She shit tested me all the time. Few examples: I projected future about going to one place next time, she told me that this place is so cliche for dating. I checked her childhood pic and giggled about how fat she was, she reshitted me by talking about my bald head and asking a lot of question about that (although I am very ok and secure with this, it made me little uncomfortable, which was visible)
- I kinoed her, she didn't mind my touches. I even take her in my arms in crowded area to help with obstacle cause she had heels. However, I am not sure if its not part of her natural character. I was aiming for kclose, it didn't happen - she told, she don't do kisses on first date. Then when there were more comfort, she told me, she do kisses on more romantic places than this.

OK, this would be pretty fine until now. Text game. My text game sucks hard.
- She doesn't seem to be very invested. When she is online, it takes her some time to read my SPAM message. After she is reading it, she usualy doesn't respond immediately. But eventually she will.
- My text game sucks hard. I tend to write more sentences, she replies only hahaha or few words.
- I am not sure if she wants date number 2 although we talked about it. She "let me know, if she will have time" during days I suggested.

I don't know how to handle this situation. I guess date 2 will probably happen, but I am not sure about successful outcome here. What do you think?
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Read: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620

And assume attraction. She is only playing off of the weakness in the frame you set forth. Its not a coincidence that she pry'd and make you a bit uncomfortable about the bald head. She felt a weak spot and turned it just a bit. It could either break you or make you stronger; building up the fortitude to resist similar comments in the future.

She sounds like a playful serial dater, but that doesn't change the fact that she put herself in position to be seduced. So you had something to work with.

Did you buy dinner?

I wouldn't be surprised if she was just in it for the meal..But either way she did put herself in position to be seduced. At that point the ball is in your court.
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
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Read: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620

And assume attraction. She is only playing off of the weakness in the frame you set forth. Its not a coincidence that she pry'd and make you a bit uncomfortable about the bald head. She felt a weak spot and turned it just a bit. It could either break you or make you stronger; building up the fortitude to resist similar comments in the future.

She sounds like a playful serial dater, but that doesn't change the fact that she put herself in position to be seduced. So you had something to work with.

Did you buy dinner?

I wouldn't be surprised if she was just in it for the meal..But either way she did put herself in position to be seduced. At that point the ball is in your court.
Yes, it was actually dinner and I paid for that. But it was just cause we were both hungry before that, otherwise, I don't like dinner dates. However, I sit next to her, not in front of her, so we were close enough for some kino, which was happening :)

Yeah, she is probably dating more guys recently, cause she is single for some time already. She told me, she is unlucky with guys.

We texted today and she told me that she can't have another date tomorrow - thursday, cause she is going to holidays on friday (wtf), but when she is back, we do something together.

I guess patience and persistence in non needy way is the key?
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Well there is an update: We had 2nd date, it was really great, we were talking about everything, kino was going on, but when I tried to kiss her, she told me she is shy and not now. It is very weird and I am lost there. Date 3 will probably happen, but if there won't be a kiss, maybe I am giving up.
Author:  R.C [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
This whole "shy about a kiss" thing irks me. I mean sure, making out ostentatiously with a full audience is in bad taste by most opinions, including mine, but come on, what is this, 7th grade?

Who paid? Did she at least get the after drinks?

PS: Read my guide if you wanna pick up pointers on text game.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Force yourself to NOT date girls in restaurants.

You can casually ask girls to the mall, then you bring her to the supermarket in the mall, then you qualify her if she can cook, then you buy chicken or steak (whatever), then you isolate her to your apartment, THEN you let her cook.

It's easier to kiss girls and escalate WHEN no one else is looking.
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Second date was in bar and I was sitting next to her. I really don't understand her. It seems to me that she wants to be sure I am good enough for her and maybe I am competing with some other guys. She looks definitely more like gf material then fuck and leave material. I like her a lot and I had really good feeling about a date. She still wants to hang out. But I really dont understand this situation. I guess I didnt built enough attraction.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
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But I really dont understand this situation. I guess I didnt built enough attraction.
Wrong diagnosis.

When a girl goes out on a date with you TWICE, then there is ENOUGH attraction.

Kissing a girl in places where her friends or people she knows might see her is the problem.

Hence, ISOLATE her to a place where no one will think she is a slut; where her friends or people she knows cannot see her kissing a new guy. Moreover, you have to fuck her as soon as possible if you want her to be your girlfriend. A girl who does not have that much investment in you is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be your girlfriend.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
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She looks definitely more like gf material then fuck and leave material.
The root of all of your issue ^.

You shouldn't just allow her to"look" like GF material. Raise the standard.

Read: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
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She looks definitely more like gf material then fuck and leave material.
The root of all of your issue ^.

You shouldn't just allow her to"look" like GF material. Raise the standard.

Read: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=190620
I have read that stuff and thats what I am doing. I have options. Right now I am fking one girl, another girl is totally into me, both are attractive, I am picking up numbers, its not only about her. But she is meeting my high standards so she is not just target.

Btw. we were in bar just me and her and couple of strangers around. When we left and saying good bye, we were totally alone, but except hug (and kissing her neck), there were no kclose. It very very weird. I dont know how to act on date 3.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Fix your basic escalation techniques then.

1. Eye fuck. 60 YoC. Dragula is a master of this and explains it rather well, here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=192300

2. Hold hands. 60 YoC.

3. Check out Vin Di Carlo's Escalation Ladder. Download is free.

4. If you've got enough balls, try Vic Park Guy's Bomb Method.
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
Case closed.

I kclosed and we have huge make out on date 3. I think I could escalate even more. No, I am damn sure. But when we were getting too sexual, I told her to slow down and went home. Do you think its good strategy?

I also don't like that she is still not very much invested into texting.

I don't want to mess this up.
Author:  Dragula [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:12 am ]
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But when we were getting too sexual, I told her to slow down and went home. Do you think its good strategy?
How can turning down sex possibly be a good strategy when your goal is to have sex?

LEAD It to the bedroom. It's what you both want. Stop letting game get In way, BE NORMAL.
Author:  Checkm4t3 [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
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But when we were getting too sexual, I told her to slow down and went home. Do you think its good strategy?
How can turning down sex possibly be a good strategy when your goal is to have sex?

LEAD It to the bedroom. It's what you both want. Stop letting game get In way, BE NORMAL.
Logistics werent very comfortable (night, both working next day, she was tired) + its a good strategy - Julien from RSD has very good speech about this one. You will show your will to wait and project long term comfort (or something like that). It will create higher tension. Remove any possibility of LMR completely.

And like I said, I really like this girl and I can imagine more serious stuff going on with her. I feel really comfortable with her, which doesn't happen often. Usually I feel need to get out from a bed with girl I just fucked as soon as possible. I am sure I will not feel this need with that girl.
Author:  Dragula [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenging HB10 is killing me
As long as The most hated man on the planet says so...

This kind of advice will hurt you in the long run. Trust me. You're gonna lose some cool girls playing hard to get. But you don't have to listen to my opinion.
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