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| Author: | djdante [ Sun May 18, 2014 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in half! |
Hey guys, when you work with men in the dating scene day in and day out, you invariably begin to see patterns. For example, most guys suffer a lot with getting flakey phone numbers that never turn into dates. Or Dates, that never progress past date no. 1. There are a lot of solutions to flaking, but scientific research gives us one particular way to make HUGE impact. There is a famous experiment involving a group of students and buckets of cold water. The students are told that there will be 3 parts to the experiment. PART 1: The students put their hands in water cold enough to be rated a 7/10 on the pain scale for 5 minutes. Then they take their hands out, and warm them up with a towel. PART 2: Once their hands are nice and toasty again, students are asked to once again put their hands in water cold enough to be rated 7/10 on a pain scale for 5 minutes, but this time after the 5 minutes, they have to put their hands in another bucket with slightly warmer water rated at 6/10 for pain for a further 5 minutes finally they can warm their sore hands up again. PART 3: Students are told they have to repeat one of the previous 2 experiments again. The overwhelming majority of the students defy logic by choosing to repeat PART 2 again. Since it involves as much pain as part 1 and then some extra pain on top. WHY? This is just one example of this type of experiment (the original version involved proctology exams but EWE I'd rather talk about water). What researchers consistently find with experiments like this is that when we think back to our experience of an event, we don't average out the total of all our experiences over time, we place a huge bias on the last emotion we experienced. In the case of the water experiment, the last emotion for part 1 was 7/10 pain, the last emotion for part 2 was 6/10 pain. SO HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO FLAKING?? Most guys go have an interaction with a girl. It starts to go well, and the guy gets excited. Then the interaction reaches it's natural peak and begins to slope downwards. The guy, determined to push it as far as he can, keeps slogging away as the interaction becomes less and less fun for him and less and less enjoyable for her. Finally, he leaves, asking for her number. The guy walks away thinking 'well it got boring at the end, but we built lots of rapport and laughed a lot in the middle there, so she'll definitely want to see me again'. Then he gets a flake and wonders why. When research clearly answers that question. She receives a call or text from you, and she asks herself 'what do I feel about this guy' and her brain answers with the most recent emotion she felt about you and that was 'boring', so her eagerness to see you again is quite low. The same of course applies to first dates. Guys go on a date, end it WAY after it has peaked (usually hoping to score sex on the first date), then wonder why a woman won't go on a second date, even though it was great fun in the beginning. So the solution which I always teach guys is this: End your interactions/dates just after they have peaked. For example. When I'm on a date with a girl, and take her on a walk along the beach. I don't make out with her at the far end of the beach where it's quiet and secluded because that would require a long walk back where we can lose momentum. I instead wait until the end of the walk before I make out with her, then just when he make out is getting hot and heavy, I'll end the date, and tell her I definitely want to see her again. Then when I suggest a movie night at my place, she asks herself 'what do I think of Damien?' she things 'hot, horny, passionate', and I rarely ever get flakes. As always, questions most welcome |
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| Author: | 10Tricks [ Mon May 19, 2014 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Cool, weird no one replied |
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| Author: | djdante [ Tue May 20, 2014 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Quote: Cool, weird no one replied
Well, I suppose it was more of an article and less of a question But it does work an absolute charm. |
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| Author: | Ehayes91 [ Thu May 29, 2014 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
I like this article man. Makes a lot of sense. I'll start trying it out. DM if you want to help build off of each other! |
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| Author: | Real_Dea1 [ Fri May 30, 2014 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Did you ever come to think that a girl flaking has to with the emotions she was feeling at the moment she's scheduled to meet up rather than on her thoughts of that one particular guy? For example, a girl might have met this amazing guy who seems fun and sexy and even planned for a Day 2 with him that coming Friday at 8pm. Problem is that when Friday 8pm comes, the girl might not be in any mood to go out. There could have been a fight a work, she's tired, more in the mood to hang out with a friend, eat ice cream, etc etc. And therefore, may not have the energy to get dressed up, put on make up, and compose herself to look sharp for a socially pressuring situation where she has to impress a guy she likes. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | djdante [ Sat May 31, 2014 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Quote: Did you ever come to think that a girl flaking has to with the emotions she was feeling at the moment she's scheduled to meet up rather than on her thoughts of that one particular guy?
For example, a girl might have met this amazing guy who seems fun and sexy and even planned for a Day 2 with him that coming Friday at 8pm. Problem is that when Friday 8pm comes, the girl might not be in any mood to go out. There could have been a fight a work, she's tired, more in the mood to hang out with a friend, eat ice cream, etc etc. And therefore, may not have the energy to get dressed up, put on make up, and compose herself to look sharp for a socially pressuring situation where she has to impress a guy she likes. Thoughts? Absolutely!! That's precisely why low rapport = an easy flake. The threshold for her actually flaking is very low without good rapport. So low rapport means that even a moderately bad day will cause her to flake. High rapport means, she's more likely to come unless it's something more severe. I don't focus on it though because you can't control what goes on in her day. All you can ever do is focus on increasing the odds from your end. If girls regularly don't flake on you, then suddenly one does. It is more likely to be her problem than a problem with your game. But if girls do regularly flake, then it's likely something you need to change to reduce your flake rate. But yeah, of course. A million things out of your control can cause a chick to flake. |
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| Author: | Tändelei [ Sat May 31, 2014 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
djdante, just say: "always end on a high note" and save us the long text |
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| Author: | djdante [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Quote: djdante, just say: "always end on a high note" and save us the long text
Not sure about you, but knowing 'why' is always the most important part of change for me. I'm assuming this forum isn't full of guys who take empty advice without background info Also, I'm a geek, so the research is of interest to me. I like to think there are plenty of geeks on here to share my intrigue. |
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| Author: | hackney [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
always good to be reminded this |
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| Author: | Animepic [ Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
For a woman, attraction can feel like control. So, if she gets the sense that you're too attracted, it will feel like she's being controlled. That's scary, if you're a stranger. |
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| Author: | Monsignor Crisanto [ Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Quote: Not sure about you, but knowing 'why' is always the most important part of change for me. I'm assuming this forum isn't full of guys who take empty advice without background info
Same here. If you know why, it's easier to implement and execute techniques in field. Plus it gives you a lot of confidence too since you know that most guys don't know what they're doing. That confidence from knowing is a massive game changer.
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| Author: | ahti [ Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Absolutely love this. Thanks for throwing in the research experiment. It completely makes sense to me. This is one of the best posts i've seen and so appropriate, as it is a huge problem in game. |
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| Author: | jakemo [ Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
check it out youtu.be/I_-EjXEvH2c |
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| Author: | Standupcomedian [ Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Might be an odd question, but what if the date or what ever you are on peaks quite fast? Let's say i'm on a date with a girl. We meet at six and go for dinner. At eight a clock we're having the a blast. It would seem a bit weird to "end" the date right there? And how do you know, when the conversation or date is peaking? |
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| Author: | Heyimmatt [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flaking is DAMN frustrating. Here's a way to cut it in h |
Great article! Never really thought of it this way... Looking back there's lots of moments where I could have applied this idea if I had known. |
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