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Author:  aegis1 [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:37 am ]
Post subject:  She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions?

Hi, I did a few searches but didn't find an analogous post for my situation.

I met an 8 on OKC. We have most of our interests (including some rare ones) in common. We flirted by text and she said "on a scale of 1 to 10, my curiosity is an 11" and gave other IOIs. I constrained the date to "an hour or so," and followed Janka's advice and made it a park walk. I kinoed a lot. She expressed surprise that I didn't seem nervous like most people (she is a psych. major). After 45 minutes I did the hand trust test and made out with her for 5-10 minutes (on a side street sidewalk, which was not my original plan). She bit me and said she was turned on. I cut off the makeout to avoid ASD (I'm guessing I should have ended the date there, but was emotional and instead walked with her for another half hour).

We held close for this period. She asked if I have ADD, saying that I was "intense" because I was focused on her and had strong eye contact, and explained that people with ADD often exhibit this kind of focus when they are on Ritalin. I replied, truthfully, that I've never been on meds in my life (adding, "unless they were recreational," which got a laugh). She asked if I had problems with authority as a kid. She also talked about liking people who like wolves because they are associated with protection, so when she later asked me to relate a story from my life, I offhandedly mentioned that I had once fought off a mugger in a subway in Mexico City (this is true, though I'm not anything like a practiced fighter). Shortly after, she asked, "why are you so aggressive?" I said "I'm not, but if someone comes at me I'll fight back." I had pointed out my previous apartment, and that some crazy things happened there. She asked for the craziest story. This was when my GF invited two other girls over and we had sex, but Janka advises against talking overtly about sex because it releases sexual tension, so I said I didn't want to tell her. She pressed, so I made it into a joke and said the girls and I robbed a bank and burned the money. Weirdly, she insisted I was telling the truth and had actually done this. I whispered in her ear, "I'm just fucking with you" but she again said "no, I think you really did that" and "I can't tell the difference between how your face looks when you're lying and when you're telling the truth--you have a smirk either way." (she still held me close during all this, and continued to until I took her back to the meeting point). When we got there, I kissed her briefly, nibbled on her ear, and whispered "I'll see you soon." She replied, "maybe." I gave her hand a squeeze and took off.

The next night, I sent a playful text. She had previously answered these within an hour, but after three days there was nothing, so I sent a second text, still light and playful, inviting her to a community garden operated by a guy I know and suspected she knows (he's decades older than us, though). There was no response until the next day (today). She said she likes that garden but will be on vacation for the next week and a half. I teasingly asked for an email and jokingly mentioned I might convince her I'm not a bank robber. After 15 minutes without a response, I asked if she was into a kind of gardening I like and know she likes from an online profile (of course, I didn't mention I had seen the profile). This is the sort of thing that got many IOIs before the date, but after two hours there's no reply.

My guess is that she thinks I'm a sociopath (definitely not true). I took some psych. courses, including abnormal psych., and key traits of sociopaths include lack of arousal (hence her question about why I wan't nervous like most dates), ability to lie without broadcasting tells (which she said she thinks I do), and aggression (which she said she thinks I have). I met her wearing all black and olive drab, with skulls and a black bandana, and mentioning gardening was an attempt to show what might be a less intimidating side.

I'm willing to invest a little effort into this girl because, given the political climate in my city, it is rare to meet someone who ticks almost all my boxes, including unusual interests and values for the area. Is she recoverable? If so, what should I do?

Author:  Betamax [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

She doesn't think you're a psycho. She's just not interested because you screwed up somewhere on your date, and you're wasting your time to even attempt to recover. Stop texting her and move on.

Author:  Positron [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

I think you screwed up when you said that you didn't want to tell her your craziest story. Whatever you say after that will either be judged as a lie if it's believable (one of my friends got really high and broke a window) or the truth if it's unbelievable (why else wouldn't you want to tell her?)

Think about it: have you ever asked a girl something about what she did with a previous boyfriend or something like that and she said that she didn't want to tell you? How did that make you feel? When this happened to me, I got really fucking jealous and annoyed and whatever she said afterwards I wouldn't believe anyway, unless it was really crazy.

Instead of saying, "I can't tell you", just tell her a different crazy story that's appropriate, or just tell her you can't think of one after being put on the spot like that.

Hope this helps.

Author:  aegis1 [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

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Hope this helps.
It does, thanks. Is there any way to salvage her? We are in many of the same small social circles, so even if we don't hook up I'll probably see her often.

Author:  Positron [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

I would tell her, "hey, I'm going to pick you up at time t and we'll go to location l." See what she says. If she flat out refuses, you have your answer and it's time to move on. If she makes an excuse, then set a different date. If there's ANOTHER excuse, ask her when would be a good time for her. If she's still acting sketchy, drop her.

If she agrees, start over and don't act sketchy this time. If she asks you a question you're uncomfortable with, try what I said above.

Good luck!

Author:  aegis1 [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

Makes sense, thanks again. Can it be helpful to avoid questions to increase mystery? Janka says mystery is for guys what appearance is for women- the most useful attribute.

Author:  Positron [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

I don't know about all of that. I would just say that you can't think of something off the top of your head when put on the spot like that, if you don't want to answer a certain question. But remember: I'm not an expert. Also remember that trying things and seeing how they turn out is the best way to learn. So try that, if you want, see how it turns out, and adjust your game appropriately.

Author:  aegis1 [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

What do you think would happen if I proactively told her the true story I didn't tell on the date? Or texted that she's earned my trust and so I'll be more open in general? Or admitted the mistake and suggested starting over?

Author:  Betamax [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

Worst. Advice. Ever.

Author:  neo87 [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

Stop stop stop.
It's a wrap. She sounds way too analytical about the psych stuff and yes you may have messed something up on the date. May have been the craziest story stuff, but you shouldnt have played it safe and just taken her to your place. And the texting with no response was a no no.

Author:  Conker [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

To be honest - (and this goes with the disclaimer that I don't know anything else about what happened that night other than what you wrote) she seems a bit screwy. Maybe she's just a little too over-confident with her "skills" as a psychologist, seeing as she's only just learning it and probably feels like she has one over everyone else (when in reality, she has no practical experience with applying what she's learned, and this shows in how she was talking about these things).

Whether she's screwy, or over-confident in her "psychological abilities", I wouldn't stress too much about this one, it's unlikely to work out at this stage. She's got to get past the point where she realises what she's saying and doing is going to scare people away. Also she probably has an inflated opinion of herself as a result of this mindset she has, and is even less likely to respond when she really should.

Having said that, you shouldn't have sent two unrelated texts in a row like that, it sends a clear message you're just sitting there thinking about her when it's too early for you to be that into her. Not that THAT would be the absolute end of everything, but it's definitely a step backwards.

Finally, I wouldn't draw conclusions like that. Your mindset has been too easily altered by her strange behaviour and you're trying to think in those terms - when instead you should be confident in your behaviour and what you want from her. Even if it were true - that she's concluded you're a psycho - what kind of person would be drawing that conclusion from such a short interaction? Screwy or over-confident in their abilities, that's what.

Anyway, if you really want her, just pretend this missed text didn't happen. Give it some time, then invite her out to something. Always try to call first, then text.

Author:  TheFury [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

Tough to rebound I think. Some advice for the future. Part of the issue here is that you played too much into her shit tests and tried a little bit too much by the book things. I also would not do day dates (I'm assuming the walk in the park was during the day?). It is statistically shown that women are horniest I think around 10pm, so why would you do a date during the day? Cutting off the make out is good, but if she says she is turned on, you need to try to figure out how to escalate the situation. The right move here is: "Let's go somewhere else" That somewhere else being close to your home...
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Hi, I did a few searches but didn't find an analogous post for my situation.

I met an 8 on OKC. We have most of our interests (including some rare ones) in common. We flirted by text and she said "on a scale of 1 to 10, my curiosity is an 11" and gave other IOIs. I constrained the date to "an hour or so," and followed Janka's advice and made it a park walk. I kinoed a lot. She expressed surprise that I didn't seem nervous like most people (she is a psych. major). After 45 minutes I did the hand trust test and made out with her for 5-10 minutes (on a side street sidewalk, which was not my original plan). She bit me and said she was turned on. I cut off the makeout to avoid ASD (I'm guessing I should have ended the date there, but was emotional and instead walked with her for another half hour).

We held close for this period. She asked if I have ADD, saying that I was "intense" because I was focused on her and had strong eye contact, and explained that people with ADD often exhibit this kind of focus when they are on Ritalin. I replied, truthfully, that I've never been on meds in my life (adding, "unless they were recreational," which got a laugh). She asked if I had problems with authority as a kid. She also talked about liking people who like wolves because they are associated with protection, so when she later asked me to relate a story from my life, I offhandedly mentioned that I had once fought off a mugger in a subway in Mexico City (this is true, though I'm not anything like a practiced fighter). Shortly after, she asked, "why are you so aggressive?" I said "I'm not, but if someone comes at me I'll fight back." I had pointed out my previous apartment, and that some crazy things happened there. She asked for the craziest story. This was when my GF invited two other girls over and we had sex, but Janka advises against talking overtly about sex because it releases sexual tension, so I said I didn't want to tell her. She pressed, so I made it into a joke and said the girls and I robbed a bank and burned the money. Weirdly, she insisted I was telling the truth and had actually done this. I whispered in her ear, "I'm just fucking with you" but she again said "no, I think you really did that" and "I can't tell the difference between how your face looks when you're lying and when you're telling the truth--you have a smirk either way." (she still held me close during all this, and continued to until I took her back to the meeting point). When we got there, I kissed her briefly, nibbled on her ear, and whispered "I'll see you soon." She replied, "maybe." I gave her hand a squeeze and took off.

The next night, I sent a playful text. She had previously answered these within an hour, but after three days there was nothing, so I sent a second text, still light and playful, inviting her to a community garden operated by a guy I know and suspected she knows (he's decades older than us, though). There was no response until the next day (today). She said she likes that garden but will be on vacation for the next week and a half. I teasingly asked for an email and jokingly mentioned I might convince her I'm not a bank robber. After 15 minutes without a response, I asked if she was into a kind of gardening I like and know she likes from an online profile (of course, I didn't mention I had seen the profile). This is the sort of thing that got many IOIs before the date, but after two hours there's no reply.

My guess is that she thinks I'm a sociopath (definitely not true). I took some psych. courses, including abnormal psych., and key traits of sociopaths include lack of arousal (hence her question about why I wan't nervous like most dates), ability to lie without broadcasting tells (which she said she thinks I do), and aggression (which she said she thinks I have). I met her wearing all black and olive drab, with skulls and a black bandana, and mentioning gardening was an attempt to show what might be a less intimidating side.

I'm willing to invest a little effort into this girl because, given the political climate in my city, it is rare to meet someone who ticks almost all my boxes, including unusual interests and values for the area. Is she recoverable? If so, what should I do?

Author:  RockstarPUA [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

To be honest, I really don't think you should be too hard on yourself. If anything she fucked up! I have to agree with some of the other comments, I think she was just showing off her psyhcology shit. You were at a stage where she said she was turned on, and then starts grilling you. Who the fuck does that? If you ask me you're well rid. She def sounds a bit nuts. I know I would run for the hills after that.

Author:  aegis1 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: She apparently thinks I'm a psycho. I'm not. Suggestions

The last three posts are making a lot of sense regarding this person's desirability. Thanks for the well-reasoned advice. I'll be reevaluating how much effort I want to spend on her in the future.

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