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| Author: | Blacksky [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Good article and something I have been thinking of alot lately. I easily get females phone numbers when in the right state of mind and mood but the flake happens often for me. Theirs times when I know the phone number was a weak one and I know they won;t respond and nothing comes of it but theirs also times i have got numbers when everything was positive, girl tapping me on the arm smilling, eye contact positive body language and i;'ve thought this one is good potential but nothing comes of it. I think the best solution in the numbers game as the more you have the less inclinced you are to worry about / think about 1 girl. I think best thing to do is just go out get in the right mood, talk to as many girls as possible woth respect and close as many numbers as you can. On a different note - don;t know if yuo or anybody else has ever gone out and nothing went right - ie your trying to talk to chicks and nothing is working, and the more you try the more they avoid you - i had one of those nights last night - one chick told me i should go home lol and another said you look realy nervous, very out of character for somebodty to say that to me. Evern a guy came up to me and said "you knw what your problem is - your a good looking guy man but yuor shy". Last night was not happening at all - anybody had a nightmare night when whatever you try nothing goes right ???? I wanted to capitalise on last week which was one girl who wanted me to take her home and another who i got her number who was a 8 but it was not to be. I guess in anything in life theirs times when you don;t perfrorm as wellas you previously have done and days when nothing goes right. Any feed back appreciated. |
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| Author: | Blacksky [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Yes I think you are right - femnales are very sensitive to the ways people feel - they are almost like dogs in that way. Onwards and upwards I say. |
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| Author: | Gmorsik [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
thanks for the info guys. it'll really help me. |
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| Author: | Zeus101 [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Think you have hit the nail on the head here with this one mate. In my view Girls generally think about investment. -What they are going to get out of it -Is it worth the effort -Are you going to entertain them The worst thing to do is try and number-close or go on a date when the girl doesnt really want to as this is just going to put her in the wrong mood/mindset about you. If played correctly, she should be eating out of your hand, initiating the number-close or even the date sometimes. If you portray a fun/spontaneous personality, and that you arent a desperate boy chasing this one girl, then she will be crawling after you. By allowing the girls to see you with other girls, or by bringing them into convo will demonstrate higher value without it seeming to be an intentional way of getting attention. Adopting the 'I dont give a fuck' mentality instantly changes who holds the power. She will be able to tell easily if you are lying and saying it just to try and make her jealous as girls are amazing at sniffing out liars! So the best thing to do is not lie about it, but actually talk to lots of other girls so that if one does flake out or give an excuse not to meet up/come home with you/number close, you dont get too worked up about it as you have plenty of other options, hence the phrase 'dont put all your eggs in one basket.'. But like johnny said, just go out and trial over and over again. Yes you will get rejections and flakes, but as you get more and more girls and get more confident, you wont care about the rejections, and as you care less about these, you'll find you get less of them as girls can sense that sort of shit haha. And soon you will find you have a method that works without fail Zeus |
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| Author: | Blacksky [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
You say it isn;t all about looks and you are right but keep in mind if you have looks it makes it a hell of a lot easier. One of my friends goes out and chicks often come up to him, show interest in him and flirt with him straight away without him doing anything. When I was younger several times I had females come up to me and kiss me without me even saying as much as a hello to them. Obviously my friend is a good looking gentleman. Others who don;t have as much in terms of looks don;t have that happen to them therefore they have less opportunities which present themselves. Keep in mind that if you don;t have looks not only do you have less opportuntities just presenting themselves - but also you have to create more opportunities. When you go and create opportunities the more likelyhood you will get flaked as the 1st impression counts. A guy with looks will go out and have a bigger window of opportunity as he attracts more females with his looks but also when he does go to create opportunities the females may give him more of a chance. The might sub conciusly say - o.k. he is hot i'll give him 10 minutes as oppososed to somebody who isn;t attractive whereby the female may say - o.k. he better have something good to say otherwise i'm outta here in a minute or two. Therefor he probably has more margin for error as well less work to do. I do strongly agree that looks are not everything but they do help. I have found just having confidence and having the ability to open and close go a long way - some things that not all guys with looks can do. I sometimes wonder if anybody has ever done a equation about how much each aspect is worth. At a guess I would say the breakdown would be Looks are worth 40 per cent and confidence 60 per cent. By my equation / theory if you have 0 in the looks department yuo beter play a good confident game to get over the 50 per cent mark to get the attractive chick. This post is not meant to dissapoint or upset anybody here but just the reality in the way I see it. |
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| Author: | SuperSajin [ Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
If looks doesn't matter all the strippers that host bachelorette parties would just be short bald fat little dudes |
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| Author: | lucifer7 [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Quote: Why women flake in pickup
Hi Johnny, thanks for your input, very interesting post.Flaking is one of the most common frustrations that men have when it comes to dating women. I think flaking is something that is just human nature; I guess its procrastinating being lazy etc. I’m sure we can all agree that when we have an arranged appointment to go to an event if you like, when it comes to the day of the appointment we feel like not turning up. I cannot explain why we human beings are almost hard wired to be lazy or lack motivation to do simple things, like attending a dentist can feel like a huge commitment on the day for example. I like to break things down in terms of investment when it comes to attending an invitation in regards to flaking- let’s say your best friend invites you to his birthday party when it comes to the day of the party, you will probably ask yourself hmmm is it worth going? I’m not sure I’m in the mood today? You start making all kinds of reasons or an excuse if you like not to attend. Then your loyalty kicks in and you say oh no I can’t let him down, we been friends for years it would be horrible of me so you do turn up and the part goes great and you think I’m so glad I turned up! What a little devil I was to even consider flaking on my best friend hehe. You see this is a little similar when it comes to women flaking on you! The level of investment is pretty low in regards to how long she has known you for. Let’s say you number close a women in Daygame and you speak to her for let’s say 5-10 minutes and you propose meeting up and she agrees and you exchange contact numbers. You then text her and she responds and you both agree to meet up for a drink 2 days later for example. The day comes and you’re all excited getting your new freshly ironed shirt ready and your nicely pressed jeans with a splash of good-smelling after-shave! oh noo hold on a second you receive a text from her, your all intrigued only to see “I’m really sorry I can’t make it today I have to help my sister move house I’m really sorry!” boooooom you feel like you just collapsed inside and you’re so angry, how could this girl do this to me I can’t understand she seemed completely interested in me? You have to put things into perspective the girl does not know you well enough to push her plans aside to meet you. If you play the game right and don’t show her that you’re bothered and just text her back “ok.”. This will actually make her feel rejected as she is not used to guys responding in this way. I speak from personal experience having gone through all this specific scenarios in dating women over the years. I think it all comes from a value perspective that women will be attracted to a man who she perceives to have high value. I guess this goes back to the whole evolution theory the tribal leader alpha male who can provide the woman survival value. I think if I was just to be completely straight and honest with the modern man of today I would just say stop feeling sorry for yourself and behaving like a little bitch!!! Then women would not treat you badly, be a man come on guys. Lots of guys are too hard on themselves when it comes to women & dating: Sometimes circumstances play a role in the girl flaking on you and it’s nothing to do with your lines or level of game. If you had a friend or family member who was in need you would flake on someone to attend your loved one so same goes for women. Most guys don’t have any patience when it comes to dating and this is a rookie mistake and will lose you lots of women. In Daygame especially you have to be patient as lots of the women you are meeting do have busy lives and the way you meet them plays a part in how they perceive you. Women are not stupid they have seen enough guys come and go to know who is who, so when you stop a woman in the street and chat her up she knows you have done this before which is a turn on for her emotionally but logically rings alarm bells!! hehee but I feel meeting women in Daygame puts you in a high position as a man with balls the size of Arnold – schwarzeneggers biceps at least from the woman’s perspective anyway which is good enough for me. I personally found that my flaking almost completely reduced when I played the numbers game and had the ‘don’t give a fuck’ attitude which women could clearly pickup on. This is about the best advice I could give a newbie on how to reduce your flakes in Daygame as you will just have the abundance mindset and this will actually manifest into your game/personality if you like and women will feel this and be very attracted towards this behaviour. It’s kind of how things work in life where by the more you cling onto things the less you really have them so same applies to attractive women. So don’t show all your cards on some broad you meet outside the coffee shop for 5 minutes. When you have slept with her and been dating her then fair enough to show your feelings as a man and to show that natural neediness that lies in us all. That’s why you have to be disciplined to be good at daygame as women will test you and flake on you to see how you respond as a man. You have to also remember that women are far from perfect they too have their hang ups and will often back out of dates as they feel insecure about how they look and perhaps it’s that time of the month when the river flows red, you get my drift or did I miss a meeting at the office guys. Flaking due to your level of daygame: I call it the newbie flaking stage yee ha this is your vibe, you’re overexcited and the girls can pick up on this as well as the classic beginner mistakes you make: . Talking too fast . Trying too hard to impress the girls . Not listening to what the girl says . Dhv-ing to the girl . Not using strong eye contact . Not using a sexual undertone- sub-communication . Agreeing on everything the girl says . Not letting the girl invest enough . Not showing enough masculinity These are all common beginner mistakes that 99% of guys make when talking to girls in Daygame or just in general. Once you get these down and master them your flaking will really reduce and your overall confidence with women will grow as well as your results in Daygame. If you were to get right to the core of flaking it would also be approach-anxiety that can cause flakes as it’s anxiety that does not enable you to be your best self or at least communicate with women in the right way in order to attract them. These are all the key points that enabled me to be successful with women and you too can do the same if you practice and put the level of commitment into going out and approaching women. I think guys think that you can eventually find a perfect method that women will be love-struck and never flake on you? haha let me enlighten you fellow daygamers around the globe!! no matter how good you are, women will always flake on you! The only thing you can do is reduce the flakes through building enough connection/attraction and basically getting out on the field and taking action. I mean when you’re hitting the streets hardcore and approaching lots of hot women you don’t give a fuck if several women flake on you as you have so many women who will love you and want to see you again. I guess it’s just the process a newbie must undergo in order to see the matrix in pick up if you like. You must remember women are flaky by nature as they are hardwired to be extra cautious unlike us tribal leader men who just tend to go for it. I think again in order to reduce flakes you must project this type of vibe that says you’re a happy non-needy guy that is going places and does not need a woman to validate him to feel good. I guess the more you work on yourself the more attractive you become and the fewer flakes you will get as women will want to see you. However if you are thinking that every phone number you collect will work then boyyyy you need a reality check my son cause such is life, it’s never a bed of roses it’s human nature we are dealing with so just enjoy the journey for what it is and fail your way to success. Johnny Berba Could you be more specific on the boldened, underlined parts? 1. What do you mean by "don't give a fuck attitude?" I mean, I think there's also a risk of overdoing that, you can't be tooo cocky and you should show at least a little bit of interest otherwise you might come across as rude and too pushy. 2. What do you mean by "not letting the girl invest enough?" Thanks! |
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| Author: | Blacksky [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
I might try and answer one of the things that gentleman said. By the not carring attitude I think he means don't come accross as your love struck as soon as you meet a girl. Some guys meet a girl and make their attraction towards them too obvious. They do this by asking them question after question - one after the other. As soon as she has finished answering a question another gets fired at her like she is being interogated. As well as that other things which will get your initial meeting going in a negative would be - too much enthusiasm in your voice, - can't keep your eyes off the female - like you are at the zoo and looking at some rare exotic species and not being able to look away, - talking too fast - a obvious sign of nerves, - too many compliments, telling them they are so beautifull etc etc. - a Obvious sign that you are trying to emotionaly please the female which some females will pick up as you being insecure (trying to get the girls to acceptance by sucking up top her). A few weeks ago this french guy who was over here on holidays decided to join me and a friend out. He was fashionable and good looking but his approach and over enthusiasm were his worst enemy. He would go up to girls and say to them "excuse me you are so beautifull" etc etc. He had no success that night and their was no reason other than his over enthusiasm and slight intoxication that he should not of enjoyed success as he had the right image. To sumarise - when you approacha female you should obvioulsy listen to what she has to say but don't elevate her to goddess level. You want to give out the aura that if she leaves or is not interested in you - then you don't care one little bit because you know you can do equaly and better than her. You don;t want to come accross as rude but you do want to come accross as being the one in control and the cooler one in the situation. |
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| Author: | lucifer7 [ Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Good reply, thanks. Barring the barrage and showering of compliments and/or getting too carried away with it in style of "ohh, you are sooo beautiful", what do you guys think about an initial or a single dry compliment? Like starting the conversation with the compliment or in the middle of it with something like "you're really cute BTW". I actually like it and I sometimes like to use it in clubs and bars. With a confident smile on your face, as an ice breaker, it seems to work really good. I don't know if it could in any way rise the chances of flaking because you raise her confidence with it... Might later do a search specifically for the compliment thing or open a topic for it.... |
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| Author: | willyma123 [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Hey new to the forum.. but this article has help me allot.. Thank you i made a mistake (obviously it was before reading this) .. met a flake and left her 2 facebook messages and called her like 4 times (private number -- she knows i use other phones).. i have completly blown it.. havn't i.. what should i do next?? |
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| Author: | puaninja [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Yea, you're done with her. Game other women bro. |
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| Author: | Blacksky [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Lucifer7 you asked baout compliments. I'm no expert so perhaps you would like to get other peoples ideas as well however when it come sto compliments i tend to avoid giving them but if i do give them I try not to go overboard. For example I might comment on a piece of clothing, a personality trait - ie the way somebody talks , their communication skills but i try to avoid saying stuff like about somebodies physical appearance. Some poepl emay think that - thats unproductive however think about a hot female , the sort that turns heads when you are in the car, the sort that people cropss the road just to get a better loook at her. Think about how many times she gets complimented per day about her apperance. A hot female gets ocmplimented dozens of times per week. When she hears it agian and again she categorizes the person giving the compliment and thinks not another guy trying to beforied me and suck up to me. This would act as a turn off to her. I'm not expecting everybody to agree with the above views and don't mind listening to alternatives but thats the way I see it and the reason I don't go overboard with complimenting a female on 1st meeting. |
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| Author: | lucifer7 [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Quote: Lucifer7 you asked baout compliments. I'm no expert so perhaps you would like to get other peoples ideas as well however when it come sto compliments i tend to avoid giving them but if i do give them I try not to go overboard. For example I might comment on a piece of clothing, a personality trait - ie the way somebody talks , their communication skills but i try to avoid saying stuff like about somebodies physical appearance.
Yes, that's true, I definitely get your point and agree.Some poepl emay think that - thats unproductive however think about a hot female , the sort that turns heads when you are in the car, the sort that people cropss the road just to get a better loook at her. Think about how many times she gets complimented per day about her apperance. A hot female gets ocmplimented dozens of times per week. When she hears it agian and again she categorizes the person giving the compliment and thinks not another guy trying to beforied me and suck up to me. This would act as a turn off to her. I'm not expecting everybody to agree with the above views and don't mind listening to alternatives but thats the way I see it and the reason I don't go overboard with complimenting a female on 1st meeting. However sometimes I still see the pros of a compliment, even if just as a way of "getting your foot in the door". Just one example: I walked up to this girl some weeks ago at the fringes of the dance floor and she brushed me away the first time around. Then I just added "sorry, I just wanted to say that you look really cute in that dress and also your English sounds pretty good" (the second part of the compliment was also a lil forced, as you can't understand so well that with just one sentence). And man, did everything change. She grinned a "thank you", turned around as if she had only seen me that moment for the first time and I was in. OK, smile, body language and the fact I was trying to convey that without the "pedestal approach" were part of the thing, but still I think that a "how are you", "I need your opinion on something" or any kind of joke wouldn't have worked nearly as well. Anyway, I've got other examples but don't wanna go off topic, I intend to search or open a topic about this as the "compliment/no compliment" thing interests me a lot. Thank for your reply |
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| Author: | Blacksky [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How to prevent women from flaking on you? Article |
Your always welcome. Yes I try to just stick to things like - your dressed well, you seem like a nice girl, nice tits (kidding), your pretty friendly. I try and talk to them about them because as Dale Carmegie said the most favourite topic of everybody in the world is themselves so I try say something about them that will get them talking about themselves and then just sit back a pay attention, looking for something that they have said to responmd to - to keep them talking. Always easier typed out on a internet forum than playing it out in real life! |
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