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| Author: | KilgoreFliegt [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Is one IOD enough to be shut out? |
So I met a girl at a bar about a month ago, and it went well, I befriended her friends, ignored her, and when I talked to her I ran really good game. Period. I rolled off and went on with my night, thus preserving my value. I went out tonight, saw her again, entertained her with a routine I came up with myself and the five question game. At the end of the five question game, it looked like she was disinterested. I can't really put my finger on it, but it was clear she was momentarily disinterested. Beforehand, I refused to take her number. I told her instead I would simply visit her at work and get some food. I am very charismatic, got a lot of IOIs, and since I have friends all over the bar it wasn't unusual that I could roll off with such ease. My question is, since she is already responding right away to compliance tests, gives nothing but a smile when she looks at me, and have DHVed out the whazoo (common second languages, social proof, non-needyness etc.) is the one IOD enough to shut me out? I am really good at getting stuck in the friend-zone, what do I say tommorow while I am at her work to prevent myself from getting stuck in this zone? I've asked a lot of questions on here and elsewhere, and I get few responses. I am doing really well, but if I had any help at all I would be golden. I want to be part of this community. Make a friend, help me out. |
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| Author: | pumpington [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:42 am ] |
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doesn't matter, compliance is all that matters you go for what you want, you either get compliance or you don't, everything else is irrelivant, if she is grumpy as fuck and keeps calling you a faggot, but she still complies with comming home with you and putting your penis in her mouth, does it really matter? social value is only a slight aspect to this game, your social status fits in with your status overall, and the funny thing is, caring about your ''value'' and being neurotic and reactive, will actually lower your status, rather then raise it, you said you were demonstrating non-neediness, but this post clearly indicates the opposite needy = lower social status indifferent = higher social status the least reactive person between two people holds the most social power, in other words, the person who cares the least about other peoples opinions of them, and does what they want the most (leads rather then follows), also it can be simply put as the most confident person has the highest social status (or ''value'' as you put it) now consider this, you met this girl a month ago, and you haven't fucked her, you saw her again, and you tried to entertain her instead of trying to put your penis inside her, for some reason she is important to you enough that you are overanalyzing how much she likes you based on how she reacted to an entertaining dhv routine, if you want to know how much she likes you then just test her compliance and build it up to a kiss, if she complies try to work out the logistics to have sex with her, it makes no sense that she is so important to you when you have barley done anything with her and barley know her, you should go meet more girls man, so that this shit doesn't matter to you so much, if kissing some girl is a big deal to you, then you need to work on being less reactive/needy and actually challenge yourself when you go out more often with things that you fear instead of just holding onto what you are comfortable with if a girl is passing compliance tests, that means build compliance further, at some point you are going to have to stop demonstrating value and pull your dick out of your pants, yeah you should be having fun and stuff, but all fun and no sexual intentions, and you are just the fun and games entertainer buddy and your dick gets to stay in your hand rather then in a vagina where it belongs the best way to avoid the friend zone, is have sex with the girl you are interested in, and if she isn't compliant with that, don't be her friend and find a different girl who is interested in having sex with you, this saves you time and energy a1 starts at the moment you make contact a2 starts at the moment you hit the hook point a3 starts after 3 iois c1 starts after she has invested enough to qualify herself in a meaninful way and invests in a kiss c2 starts after you've met her outside of the meeting location c3 starts when you have the logistics for sex s1 happens when you've initiated foreplay s2 happens if she is resisting s3 happens after you have fucked her to simplify, if you're doing the MM, then you dhv until you see 3 ioi's, that could be 3 little giggles, it could be she asks your name, she touchs you, and she laughs at something you said, you can start a3 like 1 minute into set if the girl is giving you the ioi's so what's a3? it's showing interest, it's hitting on her, it isn't about building value, if she seems like she likes the intereaction, you ask her questions about herself to bait her into qualifying to something you like, and then you let her know she qualifies as person you like, simple as that, meanwhile you should be building compliance if she isolates, qualifies, and is compliant to a compliance test or two, it's time to go for a kiss if you can't get compliance past a kiss, she is a giant waste of time, she won't comply with sex if she won't comply with a kiss, doesn't matter how much you dhv, doesn't matter what sort of ''I don't kiss guys'' bullshit she gives you, just pay attention to what she does, rather then what she says, her behavior and what she does will tell you alot more about how interested in you she is, then what she says GOOD LUCK |
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