PUA Forum :: I just don't close enough

I don't know how you guys can pick up chicks with a field manual in your heads.

Try natural. Try throwing away all the pick up jargon. Just say fuck it and let go. Who cares what happens. You are sticking to a formula that you claim is not working for you. I'm sure it works for some. Look at Mystery for example. He's a shady dude. Girls get off knowing he is a shady fucker who is using them for sex. They see though his game and think to themselves. "cool, a cute pick up artist. I can use him for sex and I don't have to worry about him getting mushy on me."

You know what an HB 10 said to me after I decided to stop with the MM and just natural game her. I just told her straight up. I was gaming you because I wasn't sure if I liked you or not. Now that I know you better I just want to be friends. You deserve at least one guy that is straight with you.

Her response. "YES I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME."

Here's the thing though. Now she believes that I legit want to be her friend because there is no game going on. I act completely normal. I am probably the only guy that doesn't put an act on in front of her. I have the chance to build real attraction not just sexual tension from a silly game. I'm not dissing PUA. I'm just saying there is many ways to skin a cat.

Author:	karlracki [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:24 am ]
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It's been about two years since I read the book 'The Game'. I've moved to California, I've sarged almost four to seven nights a week and I just don't close enough. I've lost weight, put muscle on, grew my hair out, changed hairstyles, improved my look, tanned, improved my appearance, gain more confidence, and I've read countless books and articles about being a pua......and I just don't close enough. I dance more and I don't have approach anxiety. I've learned, you can only worry about what you can control. I can't control my height or if the girl doesn't like your race. I can control a lot. I can't control afc's ruining girl's night by hssin' at them or yelling at them or telling them they're hot. I can control a lot though. I just don't close enough, I go out enough...... 1. I open a lot, I could open more but sometimes I can't even get past the opener, I get dead air from girls 2. I just can't close for some reason.... Why I'm I not closing enough? Do the rules not apply?

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:45 am ]
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Dude, thus far, you've not said anythign other than you don't fuck enough, and you get dead air after your openers. Learn transition game, and stacking. Always use stacking techniques to weave stories into the conversation = NO dead time. Also, if there's a story you haven't finished with a chick, you can bounce from that set - start another, and go BACK to the original set with a "I didn't finish that thing we were talking about..." From there. VAK modeling is a huge help in getting laid. Work the whole game, not an opener. If you're having troubles with transition - sounds like you need to practice it. RR

Author:	rakeal [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:39 am ]
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I don't know how you guys can pick up chicks with a field manual in your heads. Try natural. Try throwing away all the pick up jargon. Just say fuck it and let go. Who cares what happens. You are sticking to a formula that you claim is not working for you. I'm sure it works for some. Look at Mystery for example. He's a shady dude. Girls get off knowing he is a shady fucker who is using them for sex. They see though his game and think to themselves. "cool, a cute pick up artist. I can use him for sex and I don't have to worry about him getting mushy on me." You know what an HB 10 said to me after I decided to stop with the MM and just natural game her. I just told her straight up. I was gaming you because I wasn't sure if I liked you or not. Now that I know you better I just want to be friends. You deserve at least one guy that is straight with you. Her response. "YES I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME." Here's the thing though. Now she believes that I legit want to be her friend because there is no game going on. I act completely normal. I am probably the only guy that doesn't put an act on in front of her. I have the chance to build real attraction not just sexual tension from a silly game. I'm not dissing PUA. I'm just saying there is many ways to skin a cat.

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Mon May 14, 2012 12:59 pm ]
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Quote: I don't know how you guys can pick up chicks with a field manual in your heads. Try natural. Try throwing away all the pick up jargon. Just say fuck it and let go. Who cares what happens. You are sticking to a formula that you claim is not working for you. I'm sure it works for some. Look at Mystery for example. He's a shady dude. Girls get off knowing he is a shady fucker who is using them for sex. They see though his game and think to themselves. "cool, a cute pick up artist. I can use him for sex and I don't have to worry about him getting mushy on me." You know what an HB 10 said to me after I decided to stop with the MM and just natural game her. I just told her straight up. I was gaming you because I wasn't sure if I liked you or not. Now that I know you better I just want to be friends. You deserve at least one guy that is straight with you. Her response. "YES I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME." Here's the thing though. Now she believes that I legit want to be her friend because there is no game going on. I act completely normal. I am probably the only guy that doesn't put an act on in front of her. I have the chance to build real attraction not just sexual tension from a silly game. I'm not dissing PUA. I'm just saying there is many ways to skin a cat. This shows your lack of comprehension of PUA skills. You see, when you've done it RIGHT, and long enough - there is no "field manual" in my head - there are only a thousand variables that are ALL processed NATURALLY and INSTINCTIVELY in my head as I'm actually in the set. There's NO hesitation, I trust myself AND my ability to ADAPT to any scenario I'm presented. (Motto: Players never get caught, they adapt or they're a statistic - NOT a player) .... I don't like the 'player' title, but you get the point. Wit, charm, charisma and confidence are your allies, not your "I'm a pick up artist, and for you - I'm going to set down my game and talk to you"... Seriously? I almost laughed. I OUT my game to chicks... it entices them further to see me... but NOT when I'm first meeting them in a club! And don't begin to throw at me "Well, it worked with her"... And? So fucking what? Even a blind squirrel find a nut every now and then... it's consistency and time that shows YOUR game, or lack thereof. Until your game is that seamless and natural - you'll sound like.... well, you'll sound like you. Try natural? IT IS NATURAL! Don't tear down that which you do not comprehend - embrace it and learn it... Also: Your HB10 that said she KNEW she was being gamed... what the fuck did you expect her to day? Learn human dynamics! She responded ina defensive and protective manner. Why? You'd undermined her self-image. She was now trying to relive the conversation you had to try and FIND where you 'gamed' her... She HAD to try and regain control. Don't take it as some major fucking victory. You truly have NO idea what your own game is. You're floundering, and on occasion you're getting lucky - but you truly need to internalize and decide what YOU want. I want to fuck chicks. I want to fuck a lot of them and different ones. I want 35 and up. That's it, that's all I look at, that's all I target and I ignore the rest. Learn subliminal responses, VAK modeling, IMplant model;ing, NLP skills, stacking, escalation modeling.... Dude, there is SO much more than 'just' MM, Deangelo, "the Game" (It's a fucking BOOK, it's entertainment - not a how-to guide!), sites like this or fucking youtube videos! The practice and the multitude of sets you open determine your foundation. I'll shut up here, I have a funny feeling I lost you earlier in this post so it's really pointless. RR

Author:	rakeal [ Mon May 14, 2012 2:11 pm ]
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Quote: And don't begin to throw at me "Well, it worked with her"... And? So fucking what? Even a blind squirrel find a nut every now and then... it's consistency and time that shows YOUR game, or lack thereof. I've learned the methods you have mentioned and they all come down to the same thing. Trying. Saying. Doing. Acting. It was when I finally realized that I could say literally anything and if done right would get consistent results. In the past 17 years of gaming women. What has been the most consistent for getting results was letting go, reading her body language and just letting it flow naturally. Like Bruce Lee said about martial arts. Be without a style or technique and be fluid like water. Your stacks and routines may stop the dead silence but so would watching friends, twilight or big brother. Can you allow the women to completely lead the interaction and still get her? I can. Can you say one AFC thing after another and still get her? I can. How's this for NLP? "Hi I'm Cacaman, when you think of caca, think of me". I don't have to practice being me. I don't even have to think about it. I can do or say what ever I would like, the only thing that makes a big difference is how I feel. Pick up helps but it's nothing compared to actually having your shit together. Another thing. When things go dead. It still doesn't matter. The difference with what I am doing is, it's quite obvious I am not trying to steal the show. I'm quite content just standing there observing other people. Many times it's easier to pick up a woman without talking than it is to commit to a certain style. PUA helped me identify things I was doing wrong and weed them out. At least at first. Eventually it helped me identify when I felt like a chode and weed that out. I didn't tell the guy to stop learning pick up. I will never stop learning. I told him to try just letting go.

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