PUA Forum :: Phone/text game

Hey guys help me out here...so I'm in college and there was this one girl whom I thought was pre-med (that's what she said before I think). I was in the library studying when I saw a piece of paper with organic chemistry stuff on it. So I took a picture of that and sent it to her with a message making fun of her. Then - and here's where I feel really stupid - she replied "I'm not in orgo...?" Getting my facts wrong was terrible. In the past I would have sent some AFC response like "oh I'm sorry" and try to kiss her ass. But instead I replied: "Haha oops. Too many (her name)s in my phone...I live a tough life." Idk if she'll reply to this.

I plan to focus on my studying for exams over the next few days and not contact her at all (to preserve value) and then see if she wants to go smoke hookah on sunday or next week. I feel that I haven't really DLV'd myself (except getting my facts wrong unfortunately) and I've always made sure to keep things fun and light when texting her. Since college girls are known to have low self-esteem, is my reply to "damage control" the situation too much? I feel like I'm making way more of a big deal out of this than it actually is. I just need to know if I played my cards right or not (in damage controlling). Help me out guys thanks. The main thing here is that school is about to end and I just need to get some action before I leave so there's somewhat of a time constraint.

Author:	ak471991 [ Wed May 09, 2012 3:13 am ]
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Hey guys help me out here...so I'm in college and there was this one girl whom I thought was pre-med (that's what she said before I think). I was in the library studying when I saw a piece of paper with organic chemistry stuff on it. So I took a picture of that and sent it to her with a message making fun of her. Then - and here's where I feel really stupid - she replied "I'm not in orgo...?" Getting my facts wrong was terrible. In the past I would have sent some AFC response like "oh I'm sorry" and try to kiss her ass. But instead I replied: "Haha oops. Too many (her name)s in my phone...I live a tough life." Idk if she'll reply to this. I plan to focus on my studying for exams over the next few days and not contact her at all (to preserve value) and then see if she wants to go smoke hookah on sunday or next week. I feel that I haven't really DLV'd myself (except getting my facts wrong unfortunately) and I've always made sure to keep things fun and light when texting her. Since college girls are known to have low self-esteem, is my reply to "damage control" the situation too much? I feel like I'm making way more of a big deal out of this than it actually is. I just need to know if I played my cards right or not (in damage controlling). Help me out guys thanks. The main thing here is that school is about to end and I just need to get some action before I leave so there's somewhat of a time constraint.

Author:	detox75 [ Wed May 09, 2012 3:49 am ]
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your response was fine, but you are tempted to jump right back into AFC mode due to scarcity, i can smell it. Stick with your hookah plan, dont sweat her vajayjay. and game other chicks in the meantime.

Author:	ak471991 [ Wed May 09, 2012 4:03 am ]
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she hasn't replied at all (i texted at 9ish) - what could that mean...don't wanna worry too much. alright sounds good. yeah I want to distract myself with other chicks...and also focus on my exams lol. this is the point where I used to get AFC and I want to make sure it doesn't happen again/I don't get oneitis because that is the worst thing in the world to be honest. what do you think about the self-esteem issues that college girls face though? i have exams next wednesday and thursday so I've got plenty of constraints to give the girl. Also, it's the right thing to do if I don't talk to her for 3-4 days so that I show I don't care so much right? I haven't practiced the game much these past few months and I want to make sure I'm on my A-game.

Author:	detox75 [ Wed May 09, 2012 4:26 am ]
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your plan is sound, dont doubt yourself. Your major issue is scarcity, thus you fixating on a random prospect. if you had 10 of these prospects a few would work out and you would forget the ones that dont. Thats always gonna be the way it is so you have to improve your game and your approach numbers in tandem - that leads to abundance. As far as this chick goes you arnt going to convince, cajole, humor, charm, or persuade her to be interested in you at this point until she agrees to pursue you somewhat, wait for her cue, if and when it comes. As far as low self esteem I dont think so. Young girls just need to be lead more then older woman and will be more fickle and indecisive, which makes them harder for afcs because you have to be correspondingly more confident. remeber for young woman social cues are everything, older woman internalize decisions much better. Quote: I haven't practiced the game much these past few months and I want to make sure I'm on my A-game -You arnt on your a-game by definition, you are out of practice and your pussy pipeline is dry, not a good habit. Continue to game and reform your afc ways, you will get good fast, just keep trying and dont sit on your hands sweating one random prospect

Author:	ak471991 [ Thu May 10, 2012 9:35 am ]
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Alright I see your point. Yeah...I was actually just going through today and I wasn't even thinking about it at all i.e. not taking it so seriously and I felt so good I just realized. You're right dude Quote: dont sweat her vajayjay . I'm just gonna do my own thing and not even worry about it. And of course I'll practice. I agree with everything you've said but I just have one more question. My friend here at school who's a pretty good PUA said that my response was "too big a swing" i.e. I go from a "pull" to a "push" too fast. I don't think so - I have to keep girls off balance right so that I'm not predictable? Thanks for your help, and I definitely won't sweat her vajayjay.

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Author:	detox75 [ Thu May 10, 2012 4:16 pm ]
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I think your note thing was pretty good and original. Now I dont know the context and other things in relation tot his girl but it was creative, and showed a reasonable effort. It may have been overboard (too big of a swing), or not, but the point is you tried. Trying is always better then doing nothing and you will calibrate your efforts better as you get more experienced, so as I said before dont doubt yourself, especially for trying. The only long term failures are people who dont learn and dont try. You always want to pull more then push but you can only pull in relation to her investment and her interest cues, so its one of those "easier said then done" things. Guys with abundance can always pull more then guys with scarcity who end up pushing too much. Another reason to pursue a lot of woman rather then focus on one or two. Remember the saying "catching a woman is like reeling in a 100lbs fish on a 10lbs line". That will go a long way in explaining push/pull. In this case you have no leverage for pulling, hopefully you will soon, but dont substitute more pushing for a lack of an ability to pull. Just look for new fish in the meantime. Ok I think I got carried away with the metaphors.

Author:	ak471991 [ Thu May 10, 2012 6:11 pm ]
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Actually, I didn't give enough context here. So last Thursday this girl was my date for a formal/gala event. It was awesome in that we had a lot of fun and I used quite a bit of push/pull , kino, and cocky funny and also ran a couple of Style's routines on her. The close was there I'm pretty sure but she matched me drink for drink and ended up getting really fucked up - now Idk about you but I'm not k-closing anyone with puke in their mouth. So I had to get her home and make sure she was alright and all that jazz. Next morning she texted "sorry i got so drunk last night" at 6.30isham. I woke up at around noonish and asked her if she was feeling better and she said yeah - then I replied "I knew it. After all, you said my name right and you could spell my last name (when I brought her home I asked her what's my name and spell my last name to check if she was fine)" and then she said something like "so sassy. I was drunk not brain damaged. I was having so much fun until I hit my limit." then she texts "feels so good to open my eyes and not feel nauseous wooo" So I don't rely for about an hour and then I text "say it ain't so" Then later on I realize that I left my tie at her place - and I also find that I have her earrings and chapstick in my pocket (oh the things you do when you get drunk, except I kept myself together unlike her). So I call her later that night and no answer - then I just text "i left my tie at your place. i'm not near right now. when's a good time to get it" - and she replied "i can bring it to you the next time i'm on campus" (sounds non-committal if you ask me". Then I reply - "ite sounds good. I also have your earrings and chapstick. You partying tonight? I'm about to kegstand" - I was really rowdy on Thursday night and I thought that I should keep up that frame. Then I roll off for a couple of days and call her on Monday - turns out I called at a really bad time because she had fainted and was in the hospital. So I was like are you alright and all that jazz and then I said "yo are you done playing with my tie yet" - probably not a good time to mention it given the context stupid mistake. Then the next day I sent that text which I first posted about and her we are. Idk why I didn't give the background earlier. Not on my A-game arghghghghghgh.

Author:	detox75 [ Thu May 10, 2012 6:18 pm ]
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ya this changes things, was this before or after you did the doctor medical page opener thing? In any case I would let it chill for a bit then re-engage and try to firm up a solid date. At this point she either likes you or doesn't, and more texting, jokes, and hijinx isnt going to help your cause until you get her one on one on a date. Right now you seem to be giving her the frame and control of the interactions, thats never good.

Author:	ak471991 [ Thu May 10, 2012 8:52 pm ]
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the text thing i sent on tuesday was after the doctor thing she had on monday. i was trying this new thing called "pinging" that braddock discussed in his book about phone and text game.

Author:	ak471991 [ Thu May 10, 2012 8:57 pm ]
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I feel like other than the phone call, I haven't given her that much validation. I used to tiptoe around girls like a fucking afc and I try not to do that anymore. she behaved badly because she got fucked up but I don't feel that I've given her more approval to keep behaving badly. I think on the whole everything I've done, except for the phone call, has been non-needy and even then I think the phone call wasn't that needy at all (you're the expert not me but that's my gut feel).

Author:	detox75 [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:29 am ]
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cool, well you can hit her up later and hope for the best. Im sure you have other girls to pursue as well.

Author:	ak471991 [ Fri May 11, 2012 3:00 am ]
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Oh yeah for sure. I'm not gonna be overly fixated on one girl - I used to make that mistake a lot and there's always something in me that wants me to make that mistake again but I've managed to repress it of late because I don't want any emotional attachment to any one girl. I'm just gonna stay off her radar anyway because I have so much shit to do just gotta focus on myself. Where do you notice that I've given her a frame of control? It's a kink in my armor that I need to get rid of then. I guess texting her or calling her can be kind of a "pull" but the content of my texts haven't really been too much "pull." Was the call excessive you think? Just so you know the focus here isn't on the girl as much as it is on issues with my game (that apply to any set, not just this one). Maybe the orgo text was a little excessive but I'm just trying to be playful and funny and non-needy. What do you make of all that?

Author:	Zepter [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Phone/text game
Quote: Hey guys help me out here...so I'm in college and there was this one girl whom I thought was pre-med (that's what she said before I think). I was in the library studying when I saw a piece of paper with organic chemistry stuff on it. So I took a picture of that and sent it to her with a message making fun of her. Then - and here's where I feel really stupid - she replied "I'm not in orgo...?" Getting my facts wrong was terrible. In the past I would have sent some AFC response like "oh I'm sorry" and try to kiss her ass. But instead I replied: "Haha oops. Too many (her name)s in my phone...I live a tough life." Idk if she'll reply to this. I plan to focus on my studying for exams over the next few days and not contact her at all (to preserve value) and then see if she wants to go smoke hookah on sunday or next week. I feel that I haven't really DLV'd myself (except getting my facts wrong unfortunately) and I've always made sure to keep things fun and light when texting her. Since college girls are known to have low self-esteem, is my reply to "damage control" the situation too much? I feel like I'm making way more of a big deal out of this than it actually is. I just need to know if I played my cards right or not (in damage controlling). Help me out guys thanks. The main thing here is that school is about to end and I just need to get some action before I leave so there's somewhat of a time constraint. you are making a big deal, but you made no mistake in my humble opinion.

Author:	ak471991 [ Fri May 11, 2012 4:13 pm ]
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Alright I see. But did you read the background story I put there? I didn't exactly include it in the first post. It's a few posts further down. What do you think about what detox75 said about giving her the frame and control of the interactions?

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Author:	detox75 [ Fri May 11, 2012 5:45 pm ]
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my original answer was just in regard to your paper trick, as 666 and I said it was fine. I cant give you a good answer to your situation now as it because much more complicated and im confused as to the sequence of events. All I can tell you is that in light of your drunken night with her, the paper trick part is irrelevant at this point.