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Author:  Pixulated [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Disqualifying Opener with FTC mix

I was thinking today at work that perhaps this could work?

Me: (Approaches set) Look, I am not here to chat you up or anything (Disqualify) but I need a female opinion on something... (Opener) The only thing is you can't take up too much of my time cause my friends are waiting outside for me (or something similar FTC) then do my thing...

What do you think? Could it work?

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disqualifying Opener with FTC mix

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I was thinking today at work that perhaps this could work?

Me: (Approaches set) Look, I am not here to chat you up or anything (Disqualify) but I need a female opinion on something... (Opener) The only thing is you can't take up too much of my time cause my friends are waiting outside for me (or something similar FTC) then do my thing...

What do you think? Could it work?

I think it's too long. But stop with this "Could it work?" First, LITERALLY ANYTHING could work, if executed properly. Second, how could we tell whether it would work for you, or not? Try it out, and you'll see. Open a few sets with it and see if it works! :D

Author:  Pixulated [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disqualifying Opener with FTC mix

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I think it's too long. But stop with this "Could it work?" First, LITERALLY ANYTHING could work, if executed properly. Second, how could we tell whether it would work for you, or not? Try it out, and you'll see. Open a few sets with it and see if it works! :D
Yeah I know what you are saying it is pretty long really. Alright cheers I appreciate the advice I will just go out and try these ideas.

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:29 pm ]
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By the way... Just telling you, I don't fuck around with things like this anymore usually... A very simple "Hi, I'm Fisher" can do wonders. I know it's against everything what you've read in MM, but the fact is, it works. And if it works, then I won't care about what is written in 'The' Book.

Author:  Pixulated [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:31 pm ]
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By the way... Just telling you, I don't fuck around with things like this anymore usually... A very simple "Hi, I'm Fisher" can do wonders. I know it's against everything what you've read in MM, but the fact is, it works. And if it works, then I won't care about what is written in 'The' Book.
Isn't that AFC though? Surely every HB isn't gunna give a shit what your name is? I am only curious cause to be honest I don't think I have ever started a set like that, but then again it's only recently I have got into this shit.

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:40 pm ]
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Isn't that AFC though? Surely every HB isn't gunna give a shit what your name is? I am only curious cause to be honest I don't think I have ever started a set like that, but then again it's only recently I have got into this shit.
Look... MM is a very good book to start off. But it's outdated. There is a huge misbelief in that book. It gives women higher value than men. That's why you neg her, that's why you disqualify her, that's why you play so subtle to avoid her thinking you're hitting on her early on. Ask yourself the question... Why, exactly do women have higher social value than YOU? Because they're hot? BS. If you're cool about them being hot it doesn't matter shit. It's really not about what you say to them. It's how you feel during the interaction, and how you make them feel. You can have the best pick-up lines in the world, if you are not in the moment, not enjoying yourself then no pussy for you. Why wouldn't she care about what your name is? Because, you think she wouldn't care. If you go there in a mind-set, fully believing that those HBs are hitting the jack-pot with you, and introduce yourself in a way that subcommunicates this(with your body language, your voice tonality, and with the emotions you radiate) She will just buy it. And even if at first she doesn't, what's the worst that could happen? You've just introduced yourself, if she doesn't return that, she's just a jerk and you're better off without her anyways.

Author:  Pixulated [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:48 pm ]
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Isn't that AFC though? Surely every HB isn't gunna give a shit what your name is? I am only curious cause to be honest I don't think I have ever started a set like that, but then again it's only recently I have got into this shit.
Look... MM is a very good book to start off. But it's outdated. There is a huge misbelief in that book. It gives women higher value than men. That's why you neg her, that's why you disqualify her, that's why you play so subtle to avoid her thinking you're hitting on her early on. Ask yourself the question... Why, exactly do women have higher social value than YOU? Because they're hot? BS. If you're cool about them being hot it doesn't matter shit. It's really not about what you say to them. It's how you feel during the interaction, and how you make them feel. You can have the best pick-up lines in the world, if you are not in the moment, not enjoying yourself then no pussy for you. Why wouldn't she care about what your name is? Because, you think she wouldn't care. If you go there in a mind-set, fully believing that those HBs are hitting the jack-pot with you, and introduce yourself in a way that subcommunicates this(with your body language, your voice tonality, and with the emotions you radiate) She will just buy it. And even if at first she doesn't, what's the worst that could happen? You've just introduced yourself, if she doesn't return that, she's just a jerk and you're better off without her anyways.
All I am gunna say to that is fair point mate! I see where you are coming from and I agree, I've given up on so my shit my whole life though I wanna try this a little more to see if I can become successful at it though. I would like you to know I appreciate what you are saying and I think you are right.

Author:  >Shooter< [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:57 pm ]
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By the way... Just telling you, I don't fuck around with things like this anymore usually... A very simple "Hi, I'm Fisher" can do wonders. I know it's against everything what you've read in MM, but the fact is, it works. And if it works, then I won't care about what is written in 'The' Book.
I agree. I used to go with opinion openers, but i really don't anymore. I go a lot more direct. Some times I'll even go up to a girl and say

"I just had to come up her and say you have the most stunning breast ever."

I found out that going direct like that works a lot more then opening up indirect.

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:00 pm ]
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It's okay mate. We've all been there. Just remember that all this reading/being on the field ratio should be about 10%/90%. An hour spent in the field with active trying and interacting will worth ten hours, or even more time spent with reading stuff. Sure it is convenient to read the forums and watch videos or anything and think you are improving but you are actually not. I've learned this from experience. I remember doing that. But now I just don't. I haven't really been on this forum for a while... Now I'm in a LTR I don't really spend time 'on the field' instead I get up here and read what I think is interesting and help the ones I think I'm competent with. Because I'm definitely no pro yet...

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:07 pm ]
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EDIT: shit, I can't delete this... seems like I can just delete my last post...

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:08 pm ]
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By the way... Just telling you, I don't fuck around with things like this anymore usually... A very simple "Hi, I'm Fisher" can do wonders. I know it's against everything what you've read in MM, but the fact is, it works. And if it works, then I won't care about what is written in 'The' Book.
I agree. I used to go with opinion openers, but i really don't anymore. I go a lot more direct. Some times I'll even go up to a girl and say

"I just had to come up her and say you have the most stunning breast ever."

I found out that going direct like that works a lot more then opening up indirect.

Agreed. MM says: You have to demonstrate value so the girl will become interested. Altough it does not really concern about going direct... Still. I can't imagine anything showing more value than having the balls to tell a chick something like this upfront.

Author:  thefifthbeatle [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:28 pm ]
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I see three possible scenarios coming from direct compliments:

1) Flattered, can't really say anything, in which case you really control the conversation (ideal, you can say whatever you want next)

2) Cool, collected, just goes "thanks"

3) Completely dismissive, acts like she wants nothing to do with you (worst case, not much to do here)

What would you do in situation 2?

Author:  MynameisFisher [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:34 pm ]
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I see three possible scenarios coming from direct compliments:

1) Flattered, can't really say anything, in which case you really control the conversation (ideal, you can say whatever you want next)

2) Cool, collected, just goes "thanks"

3) Completely dismissive, acts like she wants nothing to do with you (worst case, not much to do here)

What would you do in situation 2?
The same... I just move on to some convo. The third case means she can't take a compliment, so fuck her. Next girl. I wouldn't call this the 'worst' because you've just found out that that particular girl is not for you.


EDIT: just before you ask some concrete examples :) Like..."So what do you think, your best 3 characteristic features are?" or something like "I want to know if you are interesting too. Tell me about yourself!" the purpose is, that after you've qualified her, you have to make sure she also qualifies you. And then it's just ON.

Author:  MOA71 [ Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disqualifying Opener with FTC mix

In the case of 2, just assume there is attraction and launch into your next routine to create some more. Unless a woman specifically objects, always assume attraction and you won't go far wrong.

Hope this helps bud

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