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| Author: | Dither [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I'm trying a more natural sounding opener. How's this? |
I'm hoping this opener will work for night game as it sounds more casual and not scripted. I'm hoping to move towards a more natural rather than routine based. (Not hating on you routine based guys). I'm aiming this towards mixed 3 sets because I have absolutely no problems making friends with guys, it's just all girl sets that scare me. Walk up to guy, over the shoulder Hey man. How's it going? Quick pat on the back or shoulder to form instant kino Look at entire group You guys having a good time? I'm Dither by the way. Extend to shake hands with guy first, then with everyone else and get introduced Awesome, nice to meet you. You guys seemed like cool people so I thought I'd introduce myself. Anyways I'm here with my friends so I gotta get going Body Rock By the way, how do you all know each other? (Granted at this point I'm not too successful at opening.) Neg accordingly depending on how they know each other, with a smile of course, and maybe a slight push or tap to establish kino. Transition after I've hooked. (The only real scenario I can think of in which I can throw out a neg right now that two of them are a couple and the other girl is alone, which I can then call her out on being the third wheel.) Let me know what you guys think, how to improve it. I still don't feel like there's a lot of room to transition and my FTC might be too late into the conversation which may seem low value coming in. The other flaw I can see is that I don't really go in with a specific target in mind. I don't really care much who my target is at this point as I should be gaming every girl in an attempt to get better anyways. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| Author: | Art Sandusky [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:45 pm ] |
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This sounds like how I'd approach a group if I was shrooming. In fact, I think I did this on election night 2008. You say you're leaving and then want to know how everyone knows each other? All scatterbrained and explaining myself and shit too. I understand approaching to improve, but I'm not sure if this is a keeper. The physicality is all good stuff, but it's like your lines are out of order. |
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| Author: | Underworlder [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:56 pm ] |
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I wouldn't do the "gotta get back to my friends" or "here with my friends" stuff as an ejection excuse. Too obviously PUA material. It suffers the same over-exposure as opinion openers. If you're willing to walk away, you don't need an excuse. Just do it or say you're about to. That may seem like over-analysing, but seriously, small details like that can make or break it. In other cases, micro-managing is pointless. |
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| Author: | vibe112 [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:08 pm ] |
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How bout this 'hey can i ask you guys something? Do i look like a drug dealer because i got approached by several people asking if i had weed |
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| Author: | Navarage [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:23 pm ] |
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Vibe112, that is a great line man. I dress that style so its a great obvious opener for me HAH |
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| Author: | Shawoo [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:40 pm ] |
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Underworlder I don't think its really an ejection excuse, I think its more so a False Time Constraint which Mystery recommends in A1. |
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| Author: | Underworlder [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:07 am ] |
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Quote: Underworlder I don't think its really an ejection excuse, I think its more so a False Time Constraint which Mystery recommends in A1.
"I only have a minute, but" is a fine time constraint.
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| Author: | 0uch [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:22 am ] |
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Your still using tactics to get your value up and planing out your coversation about what your gonna say. Routines and tactics are used to get your value up to the girls level. Natural gaming is already starting out at equals. So you can drop your tactics. I transition into natural style gaming. It's a tough transition. Took me long time. But the end results are awesome. Some of the things I have done and gotten away with is nuts. If you played Assasin Creed 2, here is the quote that relates to natural gaming. "Nothing is true, everything is permited." If you really wanna go natural, check out Tyler Durdens BluePrint decoded. Its 20 hours long but it probably the best pick up product out. |
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| Author: | Dither [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:11 pm ] |
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Quote: Your still using tactics to get your value up and planing out your coversation about what your gonna say.
Makes sense, but the thing is, most people start off with MM or whatever, and the routines and lines are great, but I don't want to use them. However, most people have said that's a good way to start until you start seeing results, then you transition into a natural, is this actually the case? Or can someone of my level, who's pretty terrible with girls all around, actually start off and finish as a natural?
Routines and tactics are used to get your value up to the girls level. Natural gaming is already starting out at equals. So you can drop your tactics. I transition into natural style gaming. It's a tough transition. Took me long time. But the end results are awesome. Some of the things I have done and gotten away with is nuts. If you played Assasin Creed 2, here is the quote that relates to natural gaming. "Nothing is true, everything is permited." If you really wanna go natural, check out Tyler Durdens BluePrint decoded. Its 20 hours long but it probably the best pick up product out. |
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| Author: | 0uch [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:33 pm ] |
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I would highly suggest sticking with Mystery Method until you get comfy talking to girls. It's a great method for newbies. It got me started. After you get more confidence around women, start going natural. Transition aint easy I will tell you that much. For me, my game was at all time low when I first start going natural but It shot up higher then ever. (about 5 to 6 months for me). End result is so worth it. Just recently had SNL within 10 minutes of meeting this girl. I has a possibility of one yesterday but I couldn't left my wingman behind. If you do go natural, there is a lot to learn (more then MM). I highly recommend BluePrint. You can probably see some clips on youtube if you look. Oh my level of gaming when i got into pick up was horrible. I only had one girl when I was about 17 in highschool. Broke up with her after highschool cause she moved. Not even a girls number on my Phone until I got into pick up at the age of 24. |
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| Author: | Dither [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:09 pm ] |
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Yeah that sounds about my level... The thing is I'm so terrified of being called out on using MM if I go into a set. Not to mention the fact that my friend keeps telling me a lot of people he knows all read The Game and use Style's tactics. I want to separate myself from those guys, but I realize that going natural would be extremely difficult since my level of pickup is so low right now. |
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| Author: | 0uch [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:20 am ] |
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Don't worry about getting caught. It's very rare. Also, if you pay attention to MM, you will notice there more focus on Body Language and Delivery as oppose to routines and openers. There are time to drop MM like if your getting a girl thats eye fucking you. I just go aggressive which is how I got SNL so quickly or go up and start teasing her playfully. |
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