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Author:  Frostyx [ Sat May 15, 2010 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Opening a group
So it came across me and I have some answers of myself but I have come to a wall.

How do you open a group? (3, me knowing 1 of them)

Before you answer this, I'm gonna put the hardest bitch shields up for the group.
They will;
talk amongst themselves, or individual convos
not chat much when asked questions
happy but unengaged in convo

Now, I have tried;
How did you all meet? - single sentance.
Interest into what they're doing with slight tease - laughs, no real responce
Bring up topic - one liners + dumb act

Basically, they gave me nothing to work with.

Now, accoridng to my friend I made an excellent intro, was real friendly and confident etc, which I was being. I just wanna know what more I could of done to OPEN up the group so I was 'one of them' more and not make it awkward.

Go!
Author:  Ezo [ Sat May 15, 2010 7:14 pm ]
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Man.

You say you know one of them? There is no need to open. If you already know them, any opener will come off as stupid.

You go up saying, hey (insert name here) hows it hanging? And start talking to your friend. You talk to him or her and the rest of the group will accept you.

Not sure to answer the rest of the question but I think that your opening made it look like you were wierd.
Author:  Frostyx [ Sat May 15, 2010 8:46 pm ]
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are you kidding me?
talk to the one I know?
that's the most unsocial thing you can do.
Not sure in the US or over 18+ that works, but in the UK that'll get you nowhere.
You may know more than me bout PUA but seriously, that's utter bullshit to just talk to the one I know.

I'll explain further exactly what i did,

I came over to table,
'Hey ___, hey __ and you must be ____,
You guys just chillin or what?, hang on I'll grab a chair.'

talk talk talk, open > one liners
talk talk talk, school, skydiving, bodylanguage, art, other guys being fags.

that was it.

feel free to feel offended by my 1st paragraph but seriously,
I think that's teenage social suicide. I'd gladly hear the opposition.
Author:  Ezo [ Sat May 15, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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You have a problem opening the set. I just give you a possible solution to the problem.

I do not care if you think that it will get you nowhere, it will. I dont care if you think that you are being unsocial.

We are talking opening here. Thats like 5 seconds.

You said it yourself. You know one of the people, well thats your way in. How can you possible miss that going into a set where you know one person and start talking to the other ones is wierd. That is not the way it works.

Man you got some things you need to fix.
I am not from the US, I am not a teenager.

Anyway, the reason I am even bothering to reply is that I think that you actually could benefit from it.

You dont even seem to know what an opening is.

"Talk talk talk, open"??? What???
The opener is the 2-5 seconds of words that come out of your mouth, before hi.

I think that you may have misunderstood what I am trying to tell you. I did not say, only talk to the guy you know. I was saying, open the guy you know. Thats how you get accepted into the set. That is before talk talk talk.

You go in all too aggressive, you are basically inviting yourself in verbally. That throws the bs up high. It is one thing assuming that you are welcome and a totally different thing to violating their group.

If you have opened the guy you know you say something like. Hey (insert name here) whats up. He will greet you and you are in. You can now start adressing the entire group, as it should be. You start the next sentence talking to the guy, during the sentence you look at the others while talking to include them. The second sentence you can adress the rest directly. Hey Im (insert your own name here) btw.

You clearly have an attitude problem judging both from your reply here and the fact that you go into a set and immediately start bashing other guys for being fags. Come on, that radiates massive amounts of insecurities.

People that have insecurities hide them by bashing others. Not attractive.

I am not telling you this to be mean but because you seem to have misunderstood and this is the fastest way to improve. Unless you identify and accept that you are not perfect and like everybody else have weaknesses and insecurities you wont progress.

Also you need to see how they react, if you get a good response, go for it. If your thread doesnt catch their interest, cut it! Just forget it, start over.

So, social teenage suicide or whatever, you need to take the opening you get. In the real world, this is the way you are introduced into a group, by knowing someone.

In pickup, this is exactly what we do. If you are in a club, why do you think that we open the guys? In order to win him over because he doesnt have a bitch shield and if he accepts us he is the one we "know". Why do you think we open the ugliest girl??? Because we win her over and gain her acceptance. We CREATE people we know. People who says, hey this guy is ok, welcome him.

You already got that for free!

Think!
Author:  zendelo [ Mon May 17, 2010 11:19 am ]
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Wow, probs for Ezo to take the time to respond after that lame reaction.
Author:  Ezo [ Mon May 17, 2010 5:52 pm ]
Post subject: 
Thanks man.

I am of the belief that we should all always help out if we can. The OP is a great guy, it just looks wierd the way he answered.

If we have knowledge that can help others it is our duty to do so... As far as Im concerned. I want other more experienced guys to help me when I need help too. :)

Ezo
Author:  maggot88 [ Sat May 22, 2010 4:43 am ]
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hahaha very nicely said
wat a pro :lol:
Author:  Nihro [ Sat May 22, 2010 7:08 am ]
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Stop thinking of it as opening. Shit most people won't actually remember how they meet a person, women included. Just go, you want to talk to someone? Fucking do it. The opening really does not matter, what does matter is the vibe you give off from that point to isolation. Just get yourself to genuinely enjoy meeting people, anything else is bonus.
Author:  Calculator [ Mon May 24, 2010 2:22 am ]
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I open groups just fine... once I get over my AA. Things that make my group openers work:
- Stand close. However close they are standing to each other is about how close you want to stand to them. Feel free to talk into a woman's ear.
- Speak loud enough... related to standing close.
Just let them know you mean it, when you open.
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