PUA Forum :: Bet Opener

I thought of this today randomly and havent had time to field test it yet, but im interested in your thoughts. I think it would work in any busy place with a lot of people around and is a good way to get over fear of rejection.

PUA: Hey! I know this is random but my friends bet me $50 that I couldnt get your number and I can really use the money so can you do me a favor and pretend to write your number in my phone? (hand over phone)
HB: (i will assume any girl who isnt busy will comply out of good will)
PUA: Youre the best and I owe you big time. Let me get your real number and I'll buy a drink sometime.

There is also a risk she'll think of you as a guy looking for any girl -
sine she havent in any way proved herself to be worthy of you..
and it will lower your value.

I liked it but I don't think you should take her real number right away

I think that the best thing you can do for a girl is walk away, say "thank you bla bla bla"

and go away, later on at the party it will be much easier to start a conversation, plus, you confused her by not actually being interested in her and you build social proof

Author:	brosef300 [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Bet Opener
I thought of this today randomly and havent had time to field test it yet, but im interested in your thoughts. I think it would work in any busy place with a lot of people around and is a good way to get over fear of rejection. PUA: Hey! I know this is random but my friends bet me $50 that I couldnt get your number and I can really use the money so can you do me a favor and pretend to write your number in my phone? (hand over phone) HB: (i will assume any girl who isnt busy will comply out of good will) PUA: Youre the best and I owe you big time. Let me get your real number and I'll buy a drink sometime.

Author:	Energy_ [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:16 pm ]
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Quote: I thought of this today randomly and havent had time to field test it yet, but im interested in your thoughts. I think it would work in any busy place with a lot of people around and is a good way to get over fear of rejection. PUA: Hey! I know this is random but my friends bet me $50 that I couldnt get your number and I can really use the money so can you do me a favor and pretend to write your number in my phone? (hand over phone) HB: (i will assume any girl who isnt busy will comply out of good will) PUA: Youre the best and I owe you big time. Let me get your real number and I'll buy a drink sometime. Haha.. This pretty cute. But if its HB+7 your approaching i think she'll comback at ya: -How clever of you. But I dont give guys my number like that. -I have a boyfriend. -Bla bla.. Im not sure I would want to put myself in that situation. There is also a risk she'll think of you as a guy looking for any girl - sine she havent in any way proved herself to be worthy of you.. and it will lower your value.

Author:	brosef300 [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:42 pm ]
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You should frame it as if your friends made you go through with the bet and you're only doing it for the money. Once she does the favor for you, then youre only asking for her real number out of courtesy for making you win the bet. It shouldn't feel like a pickup to her. Quote: There is also a risk she'll think of you as a guy looking for any girl - sine she havent in any way proved herself to be worthy of you.. and it will lower your value. She's proved herself by helping you with the bet.

Author:	StreetLight [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:46 pm ]
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I liked it but I don't think you should take her real number right away I think that the best thing you can do for a girl is walk away, say "thank you bla bla bla" and go away, later on at the party it will be much easier to start a conversation, plus, you confused her by not actually being interested in her and you build social proof

Author:	brosef300 [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:00 pm ]
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Quote: I liked it but I don't think you should take her real number right away I think that the best thing you can do for a girl is walk away, say "thank you bla bla bla" and go away, later on at the party it will be much easier to start a conversation, plus, you confused her by not actually being interested in her and you build social proof I agree, but in a lot of settings its not always possible to get that chance of bumping into them again, for example on the street. But I suppose you could thank you and turn away, then turn back and ask for the number like it was a spur of the moment decision.

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Author:	The Omega Man [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:15 am ]
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I think this is ingenious. Thanks, will be using this one!

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:59 am ]
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I'm generally of the opinion that any opener delivered correctly is fine, because really it's not about what you say, it's just a way to get your foot in the door and start moving the interaction forward. However I have to say this sounds terrible. Firstly, you say you could "use the money" from the bet. So you're basically saying you're poor. That's a massive DLV right off the bat. Secondly you ask for her to give you a FAKE number first. Why? Thirdly, after you ask for the real number, which she probably won't give you at this point anyway, you "owe her big time" and offer to buy her a drink in return. Why? Cuz her number, let alone her actual company, is WORTH that to you? It shouldn't be. She hasn't done ANYTHING to prove to you she's worth hanging out with. Finally, the whole subtext of the bet situation is that your (so called) friends don't have enough faith in your abilities that they would risk $50 on the fact that you couldn't even number close one girl. What kind of a message is that sending to this poor girl? The whole thing comes off as a DLV and really needy to me. You're asking for her compliance from a position of lower value, right from the very start of the interaction. You are, from a social dynamics point of view, basically a beggar. If you do manage to get actual numbers (probably more out of pity that anything else) from this routine I can guarantee you that you'll get a very high number of flakes. If you're still overcoming AA and have trouble thinking of openers, then try functional ones, like asking where the other bar is, or where the coat check or bathrooms are. Similarly for day game, asking the way to the nearest clothing store or coffeeshop. That way you don't have to overthink your opener and you can spend more time actually learning game. The strength of your actual game - from negs or rapport breaks, to kino plowing, to comfort building - that's what gets you laid, not the wittyness or intricacy of your opener. As a side note, I just want to point out that number closes are effectively meaningless. They are really only way to arrange a day 2, nothing more. To help ensure that a number won't flake, it's important that you have built up at least some comfort, if not k-closed on the night. Don't think of a number as anything special - it's not.

Author:	loyalknicksfan [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:47 am ]
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i dont think this would work.. your asking for some other persons number without even knowing them.. Girls aren't stupid, they'll know that this is a retarted bet, and they'll basically tell you to go find some other girls number.. what frame are you really putting urself in.. a guy who asks random peoplefor their numbers, to make money!? huh!? COME ON!!! but if you have the balls to try it go ahead..

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