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Author:  arnolfo [ Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  street opener
i'm good at night but during the day i need to work a lot more.
at the club i can sound very natural and i don't have problem but during the day i don't sound natural and i need some good openers.
sometimes i see a girl that is alone in the street waiting for someone or when i'm walking a girl is walking toward me.
these are the situations, i need something that can attract her attention or something that sound really natural,not a simple excuse like "what the time? "
in my place my target are souspicious because are tourist and many man stop them.
i really need something that sounds natural
any help?
Author:  Tnvir [ Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:31 pm ]
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hey man

in day game you have to be a lot more direct with your approaches .. and it's actually ok to be quite direct like telling a girl she is cute right at the start.. it's very different to night game because of obvious reasons..

Try something direct like ..

"hey i saw you walking towards me and i would kick myself if i didn't tell you this .. but you're cute!.."

*she responds with a laugh and thanks*

then you can introduce yourself.. The whole direct approach works really well cause you flatter the girl which she's not expecting .. where as in night game girls are always expecting to be hit on so their bitch shield is up hardcore!

from there you can neg her .. and game her like you normall would and ask her out on an instant date.. :)

Another good way to improve your day game is to use a situational opener.. which is just quickly scanning the environment and asking about it..

for example the girl might be looking at a map .. you can open her ..
she might be walking around in the shops with lots and lots of bags .. you can open her about them..
she might be taking pictures or something .. there are so many things you can do ..

good luck :)
Author:  astroguy [ Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:09 pm ]
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hey buddy,
first of all, i don't agree with the opinion that one needs to have a different game for every situation...it is just one of the many myths which are rampant in community. therefore, when you say that you sound very natural in a nightclub scenario, i start to doubt the credibility of the statement...being natural, in itself means that you don't over analyze the situation when you see a girl whom you want to approach...night or day, mall, street or nightclub doesn't make a difference.

second, i think it is a totally negative mindset to go out there thinking what a particular women might be thinking at a particular point of time or place...who cares what she is thinking?????? i would rather focus on what i'm thinking at that moment and make sure she gets to know about it...my point is that why do you even need a opener???? in my opinion, the best opening line is telling the girl what you feel when you see her with a straight face while looking into her eyes( if you have balls to say it)...plain and simple...rest of the stuff is developed for the guys who don't have the balls to look into the face of rejection.

finally, i just want to say that there is no magic opener or line...handle the inner core of your game, rest of the things will fall into place automatically.

astroguy.
Author:  uGkling [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:25 am ]
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yeah i agree with ^^ but i dont get ur introduction. u see a cutie girl and u just look at her eyes and say he i think u cute u and introduce ur self to her. u think a girl will give her number just beacuse u think shes cutie?
Author:  Tnvir [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:35 am ]
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yeah i agree with ^^ but i dont get ur introduction. u see a cutie girl and u just look at her eyes and say he i think u cute u and introduce ur self to her. u think a girl will give her number just beacuse u think shes cutie?
I definitely dont think a girl will give you her number just cause you said she's cute lol .. you still gotta do the other stuff! .. Build attraction, neg, build rapport etc.. You have to obviously be prepared to continue the conversation further ..

The whole idea of telling her she's cute is to show that you have the confidence to do that .. cause let's face it, most guys will just stare and fantasize..

That's just one idea of opening anyway .. there are plenty of other things you can do if you dont have the confidence to go tell a girl she's cute and start a conversation with her .. :)
Author:  boudewijn [ Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:49 pm ]
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hey buddy,
first of all, i don't agree with the opinion that one needs to have a different game for every situation...it is just one of the many myths which are rampant in community. therefore, when you say that you sound very natural in a nightclub scenario, i start to doubt the credibility of the statement...being natural, in itself means that you don't over analyze the situation when you see a girl whom you want to approach...night or day, mall, street or nightclub doesn't make a difference.

second, i think it is a totally negative mindset to go out there thinking what a particular women might be thinking at a particular point of time or place...who cares what she is thinking?????? i would rather focus on what i'm thinking at that moment and make sure she gets to know about it...my point is that why do you even need a opener???? in my opinion, the best opening line is telling the girl what you feel when you see her with a straight face while looking into her eyes( if you have balls to say it)...plain and simple...rest of the stuff is developed for the guys who don't have the balls to look into the face of rejection.

finally, i just want to say that there is no magic opener or line...handle the inner core of your game, rest of the things will fall into place automatically.

astroguy.
I've seen this type of advice being given quite a lot of times. "Just handle your inner game, and everything will fall into place."

Yeah allright, so what is exactly the benefit someone could gain from this advice? Should you now just say.. "Oh allright, ill be confident then." No, it doesn't work that way. You'd better tell us in all your wisdom how you got so confident as you are.
Author:  arnolfo [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:05 am ]
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Quote:
hey buddy,
first of all, i don't agree with the opinion that one needs to have a different game for every situation...it is just one of the many myths which are rampant in community. therefore, when you say that you sound very natural in a nightclub scenario, i start to doubt the credibility of the statement...being natural, in itself means that you don't over analyze the situation when you see a girl whom you want to approach...night or day, mall, street or nightclub doesn't make a difference.

second, i think it is a totally negative mindset to go out there thinking what a particular women might be thinking at a particular point of time or place...who cares what she is thinking?????? i would rather focus on what i'm thinking at that moment and make sure she gets to know about it...my point is that why do you even need a opener???? in my opinion, the best opening line is telling the girl what you feel when you see her with a straight face while looking into her eyes( if you have balls to say it)...plain and simple...rest of the stuff is developed for the guys who don't have the balls to look into the face of rejection.

finally, i just want to say that there is no magic opener or line...handle the inner core of your game, rest of the things will fall into place automatically.

astroguy.
what i said before is true
in a club i feel very natural but in the street i feel different.
there were no point to tell you something that is not true.
i still think that day game and night game are different
i'll tell you why.
at night:
the girl is there just for having fun....she has the whole night free and you can chat with her for hours if you are good.
she is also more prepared at meeting new people
during the day:
because she is walking somewhere probably she has something to do like meeting her friends,buy things etc.....so often she doesn't have a lot of free time for you and you have to say something interesting for catch her attenction

during you have to say something that sound natural and make her feel that you didn't plan to talk to her....this is the best way for me but i still need more good opener that sounds not prepered before.
Author:  astroguy [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:46 pm ]
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hey buddies,
as i can see from the questions raised by you regarding my way of approaching, most of you have been brainwashed into believing that the indirect form of the pickup is the way to go...here is my take on that....it is bullshit.

let me tell you one thing....men did not just start to pickup women after mystery introduced his so called method. they have been doing it since a long time and guess what? they did not require any method. In my opinion "mystery method" is the most unnatural, inefficient and cowardly way of attracting and seducing women. and I'll tell you why is it so...following are some of the biggest drawbacks of "mystery method" or any other form of indirect game.

drawback no. 1 : going in there with an indirect opener.

I say why ??? where is the real man who has the balls to turn the girl around and tell her what on his mind...plain and simple unadulterated truth....why are men so worried about if the girl finds out that you are hitting on her???....have you ever thought what does a lion do when he is hungry????....he hunts without any apology.
have you ever wondered that in most cases, unless you are an academy award winning actor, most women know what your real motive behind all that indirect facade is.
indirect opener is for pussies who don't have the balls to face harsh criticism and rejection from a female which might occur if they go direct...an alpha male doesn't give a fuck about what others think of him...his inner core is strong enough to withstand harsh criticism and rejection...he plays the game of high stakes and reap the benefits with minimal effort coz he is not afraid of losing.


drawback no. 2: going in there with the mindset that one has to raise his value in eyes of HB through DHVs and NEGs.

the only reason a man would do that is if he thinks that his value is somehow lower than the HB...and that kind of man surely is not an alpha man.
why do you think that the HB has higher value than you ???...just because she has a cute face, big tits and nice ass ???
an alpha guy in his heart believes that he is a total 10...so he goes in there with a value higher than anyone else. he doesn't need to prove his worth to anyone coz he knows deep inside his heart that he is a 10 and it shows in his body language.
only insecure and lower value people try to bring down the value of other people. an alpha guy doesn't need to use neg to bring down the value of HB...he is not threatened by her beauty, he just loves it.

drawback no. 3: it turns a man into a fake and manipulative being whose character lacks things like honesty, integrity, courage and strength.


before i close this post i would like to add few more things. direct game in its essence is an extension of your solid inner game...it takes lot of congruency which can only be achieved through forcing yourself into a lot of negative scenarios and getting used to it...to truly become fearless one has to put himself in the line of fire...so brothers, go out there and put your balls on the table...it will be difficult in the beginning to be congruent but soon you will get used to it and it won't be long before you will start to reap the fruits of your courage.

questions and criticism are welcome.
Author:  arnolfo [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:36 pm ]
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dear astroguy
some of the things that you said are true but i don't agree 100% with what you said.
first i haven't read "mistery method " yet so for sure i don't follow what he said in his book
i'm in the field since year so i have enough ball to go to a girl and say that she is cute.....no problem for me with this.
my opinion is that go to the girl and just she is cute doesn't work.
especially i the street where girls are busy (is a different situation than a night club because in the night club she is there for have fun and she has a lot of free time) and watch out to puas.they are not there for a conversation and a lot of men stop them.
so in my opinion you have to say something interesting that catch her attention and make her think that wasn't an excuse.

p.s english is not my first language so can someone explain me what in the comunity people mean when they say "to neg a girl " ?
thanks
Author:  Mathis [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:14 am ]
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Street Openor....Simplest way id say is this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcqHGm9JJg

Hope it helps :)
Author:  astroguy [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:01 am ]
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[quote="arnolfo"]dear astroguy
some of the things that you said are true but i don't agree 100% with what you said.
first i haven't read "mistery method " yet so for sure i don't follow what he said in his book
i'm in the field since year so i have enough ball to go to a girl and say that she is cute.....no problem for me with this.
my opinion is that go to the girl and just she is cute doesn't work.
especially i the street where girls are busy (is a different situation than a night club because in the night club she is there for have fun and she has a lot of free time) and watch out to puas.they are not there for a conversation and a lot of men stop them.
so in my opinion you have to say something interesting that catch her attention and make her think that wasn't an excuse.

p.s english is not my first language so can someone explain me what in the comunity people mean when they say "to neg a girl " ?
thanks[/quote]
well, i don't agree with you when you say it does not work...for me it generally takes less than one minute to get the contact details from the girl and it took me around 80 approaches to make it perfect.

it does sound a bit too easy but it takes a lot of practice to perfect the body language and tonality of your voice...these two things are key factors in any pickup...people care too much about the words they are going to say to the girl but in reality most of the job is done through eyes and your relaxed composure.

by the way according to mystery, a NEG is a light insult to lower the self-esteem of the girl...i never use them.

i hope it helps.
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