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Author:  spl1nt3r [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Want opinion on eye-contact opener
Opener during/after eye contact

"Just because your giving me eye contact doesn't mean im gonna approach you... Im not that easy.. "

Opinionz plz
Author:  TheJ [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Want opinion on eye-contact opener
Quote:
Opener during/after eye contact

"Just because your giving me eye contact doesn't mean im gonna approach you... Im not that easy.. "

Opinionz plz
I would replace a few words...

"Just because we have eye contact doesn't mean im gonna come to talk to you... Im not that easy.. "



That being said, it's good enough. If you have eye contact, the only way you can go wrong is not approach her.
Author:  Dangerboy [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:59 pm ]
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"Just because we've made eye contact doesn't mean I'm going to come to talk to you... I'm not that easy.. "
Obviously, the delivery would be with a cheeky smile and playful attitude.
Author:  TheJ [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:50 pm ]
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Quote:
"Just because we've made eye contact doesn't mean I'm going to come to talk to you... I'm not that easy.. "
Obviously, the delivery would be with a cheeky smile and playful attitude.
Yeah, better. English being my second language and all...
Author:  Chief [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:57 pm ]
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It's better to field-test something before asking for opinions on the internet

Bad:
I think this will work but I need opinions before I try it

Good:
I've tried this a lot of times but I want opinions on how to make it better
I've tried this and it doesn't work. Why?
Author:  Mister Boss [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:37 pm ]
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Quote:
It's better to field-test something before asking for opinions on the internet

Bad:
I think this will work but I need opinions before I try it

Good:
I've tried this a lot of times but I want opinions on how to make it better
I've tried this and it doesn't work. Why?
True.

But people are afraid to get rejected and want to increase their success before actually field testing it themselves.

OT: This works with a strong frame. And it has to be playful too! I've used something similar before and the HB took it a little too serious at the beginning. Once she knows you're just fooling around a bit, she digs it.
Author:  [Vegas] [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:53 pm ]
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True.

But people are afraid to get rejected and ...
The best way to learn is to just do it. When you first approach a new girl, the mindset that is good to have is that "people don't get rejected, approaches do". She doesn't know you at all. You may be the perfect guy for her, but if she shoots down your approach, she'll never know. It's her loss.
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... want to increase their success before actually field testing it themselves.
You can't be successful in something you didn't do. Like I said, the best way to learn is to just do it.

Different approaches work for different people. Is it congruent with your personality? does your body language fit it? etc.
Author:  TheJ [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:55 pm ]
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True.

But people are afraid to get rejected and want to increase their success before actually field testing it themselves.
That links exactly to what Chief was saying, that mentality won't make you learn much. You won't know why it works, not why it doesn't. You don't learn much except that you will not get rejected as much if you post stuff on the forums before actually trying them out. Could that be why people are having problems to "keep the conversation going"? Maybe. They can't post their convo real time and get advices on it real time, so instead of getting rejected, going trial and error, they excuse themselves, "eject with dignity' and miss a bunch of opportunities learning other tools.

Meh, to each his own.
Author:  Mister Boss [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:03 pm ]
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I fully agree with the guys above. Of course it's best to try everything out yourself ASAP! Unfortunately, this isn't reality for most of us. A lot of guys here on the forums are looking for advice/opinions before testing them out themselves. Nothing wrong with that. We're here to help each other.

The most important thing is that they will get motivated to try it out themselves EVENTUALLY! Yes, the sooner the better, I know. But a little preparation is useful too. Compare it like reading manuals like MM before sarging. Preparation is never a bad thing.

Well, good luck spl1nt3r! Now get the bitch :P
Author:  spl1nt3r [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:54 am ]
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Thx guys for the advice the thing, im in a small community were everyone knows each other more less. I just thought of the line and wanted opinions on how good/bad it is. So if you guys could rate it from 1 to 10 i would be delighted but remember this is after/during eye contact.
Author:  Visionxxxxxx [ Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:15 pm ]
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Quote:
"Just because we have eye contact doesn't mean im gonna come to talk to you... Im not that easy.. "
ha, this kinda reminds me of something my mate does....(you have to see it in action to really appreciate it, its ALL about the facial expression and delivery)

walks up to any girl that he just made eye contact with....

PUA: Excuse me....is it just me, or did we have a moment back there? (said with a DEAD serious face)

HB: he he, no i dont think so.

PUA: ... ye, thats what I thought too. (this time smile, she will laugh too...if you saw the manner of this response you'd see why...and then walk off)

He then re-engages eye contact at some point when he's a few meters away, and while she is staring at him he shouts from across the room pointing at her with a big smile on his face...'ok now THAT was a moment!!!'... and proceeds to walk over to her.

When you see this happening it comes across as so dam alpha its not even funny, people around him in the club/bar hear him shouting out to her while pointing and then see him approaching the girl as if they both know each other...and the girl thinks crikey this guy is either insane or the most confident guy here!

The approach go's down smoothly as he has already built a subtle connection with the first 'joke' approach....and she is already wet from 'the man of the room' choosing her in front of everyone!

Of course, if she was still making eye contact after his first approach, its a clear sign she is interested.
Author:  Chief [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:08 am ]
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A lot of guys here on the forums are looking for advice/opinions before testing them out themselves. Nothing wrong with that.
Yes, there is. It creates a habit of inaction and reinforces the observer mentality, ultimately breeding Keyboard Jockeys.
Quote:
The most important thing is that they will get motivated to try it out themselves EVENTUALLY! Yes, the sooner the better, I know. But a little preparation is useful too. Compare it like reading manuals like MM before sarging. Preparation is never a bad thing.
You're making excuses. Knowledge is power, but your main reason behind not going out into the field is fear of rejection, and you know it.

You cannot read away fear. The only way to get over a fear is to face it head on.

You're gonna need to lose a few fights before becoming a black belt.
Author:  spl1nt3r [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:49 am ]
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I know its human nature to argue but don't argue on a topic i open, especially Chief your spamming my topic, and if you do atleast give and opinion about my line. It's really annoying, no one has even given an opinion on my line.
your just posting random reply's except for a few.
Author:  spl1nt3r [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:53 am ]
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Dont spam my topic, especially chief. No one has given there opinion on my line, except a few a had somewhat relevant reply's and thx to those. It is irrelevant if i feild tested it or not (and how do you know if i didn't), i just want a good, okay, bad, 4/10,8/10 something like that. It's not that difficult to understand.
Author:  TheJ [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:09 pm ]
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Dont spam my topic, especially chief. No one has given there opinion on my line, except a few a had somewhat relevant reply's and thx to those. It is irrelevant if i feild tested it or not (and how do you know if i didn't), i just want a good, okay, bad, 4/10,8/10 something like that. It's not that difficult to understand.
Cause if you did, you would know that the openner is maybe less then 10% of the success and then you wuodn't care as much if we rate your openner a 4.5197/10 or a 7.31102/(3*Pi). There is a very succesfull guy on here that opened people with 'Cold Turkey'. That's is, just saying 'Cold Turkey'. How would you rate this as an opener? Does it matter?

There is no line that will get you laid, there is no line that will get you the girl.

Your line is fine to start conversations. So is about everyone you can think of. Just go use it.

You asked for .. let me quote here
Quote:
Opinionz plz
Chief gave his: you don't need our opinion.

Where is the problem here?
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