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Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Varying Your Openers!

The idea of varying your openers is something you need to employ with you are in a scene like a night club or a party. Any situation where you have a group of people in the same venue where you will be opening multiple groups. It is very important to vary your opener so that you aren't blowing out the whole venue with the same opener.

The other part to this is that in a smaller tight knit environment you might open people part of of a larger group with the same line. We don't want people to think you are just giving lines out to people that you meet. That won't work very well especially if there is a tighter social circle there. Plus it will ruin you if they are regulars. You could even risk a previous set hearing the same opener being used on another group.

Study multiple "types" of openers to use while you are out. My openers vary in style but all work for me.

*Direct- "I saw you over here and I wanted to come see what you're all about. I'm Jon." OR "My friends are having a boring conversation. Consider this like a real life Facebook friend request, I'm Jon."

*Indirect- Insert whatever opinion opener, talking about sports, or whatever.

*Situational- This is going to be on the fly, you just have to be on your toes.

*Kino- I like Gambler's style with these. I got this on his Ultimate Natural Game Disks. You basically use a light touch with the back of your hand on their arm to turn them or lightly guide them. This works very well. Take a step back for calibration so you're not in their face and then roll with your opener.

*Compliment- AFC Adam explains this really well. In the idea that if you are using a truly "sincere" compliment it works very well. Generic compliments like "You're cute" or "Nice Dress" will just get you a basic, "Thanks :)" and that is it.

*Body Language- Using things like eye contact, come here motions with your index finger, making faces, Middle Finger flips, etc. These are sometimes the best openers. Especially in noisy clubs or if you have some distance between you two.

*Remember saying something is always better than saying nothing* ~ Sinn

One moment you might here me saying, "You have a pretty friendly face for a place like xxxx. I saw you over here and I wanted to see what you're all about. I'm Jon." Then the next you might see me using my finger in a come hither motion or even the "bird" to get a girls attention to come talk to me. After that I mean look over my shoulder to see another girl and say to her, "Hi. I don't think I know you... I'm Jon." (This is used after I've established my social proof some).

You have to be able to bend and flex when you're out working lots of sets. By floating from the various types of openers it looks to be much more natural and also feels more natural as well. I encourage you if you are starting out don't just study indirect opinion openers. Don't just study direct openers. Make sure to vary your art forms so that you work to be more natural. Having this ability will also make it easier to merge sets which is not something talked about on the forum much, but is very fun to do.

If you are always using an opinion openers its not going to always work. Later on your ability to vary your openers will help you determine what to use as you better develop your calibration for being in field. There are some girls I know I need to be direct with and others its best to start out indirect with. How can I tell? It's in essence a cold read based on my social calibration of going out and approaching for the past two years.

Don't limit yourself to one form of opener. Have an open mind and vary your openers. When you do your results will increase.

Jon

Author:  driberif [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:55 pm ]
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Question on your 'body language' opening. You wrote about the come here index finger motion.

I often make solid eye contact with a target, but then I always move into my approach. I think it would be awesome, and really change the whole control of the frame if you can get a girl to come over to you.

How often have you used a 'come over here motion'? Does it work well? I mean obviously you have to follow it up right away when she gets there but I am just intrigued on how it changes that control dynamic.

Author:  TheJ [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:05 pm ]
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Question on your 'body language' opening. You wrote about the come here index finger motion.

I often make solid eye contact with a target, but then I always move into my approach. I think it would be awesome, and really change the whole control of the frame if you can get a girl to come over to you.

How often have you used a 'come over here motion'? Does it work well? I mean obviously you have to follow it up right away when she gets there but I am just intrigued on how it changes that control dynamic.
Good question and I would like to know the answer as well. What would be the best facial expression to have with this? Playfull? Serious/coy smile?

Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:26 pm ]
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Well guys I can only tell you what works for me. You'll have to find your own calibration with it because it works a little different for everyone.

I usually have a slight grin or a coy smile as you said for my facial expression. :wink: It helps tremendously if you are locked in. This is a big part of this, you need to be stationary. Also, she is going to have to see you doing this as well. So at times I might just yell out "Hey" to get her attention. She'll see you beckoning her, and you definitely have to maintain solid eye contact as she approaches.

You asked how many times I've used this. Um, in some two years of constant saraging I couldn't tell you. But you'd be amazed at how many women are compliant to this. Some will also be playful and do it back to you. If I can't get her to give after a min, I will approach her. The worst thing that happens is she ignores you or doesn't see you doing it.

Author:  Overture [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:34 pm ]
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Question on your 'body language' opening. You wrote about the come here index finger motion.

I often make solid eye contact with a target, but then I always move into my approach. I think it would be awesome, and really change the whole control of the frame if you can get a girl to come over to you.

How often have you used a 'come over here motion'? Does it work well? I mean obviously you have to follow it up right away when she gets there but I am just intrigued on how it changes that control dynamic.
Good question and I would like to know the answer as well. What would be the best facial expression to have with this? Playfull? Serious/coy smile?
Hah id totally like to know that one as well.

And.. Havent tried this one myself BUT... I imagine the result could be great after making a 2-3 second eyecontact... Lean your head 45 degrees down on the side with a playful grin and slowly show her your finger (the middle/fuck-you finger). After that, laugh, and then "woink woink" wave her over with your index finger as in "come here". When she comes you say: "I managed to make you walk all the way over here with just a finger. Imagine what i can make you do with my whole body! *wink*

wait for reaction

then direct opener and game.

Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:59 pm ]
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Hah id totally like to know that one as well.

And.. Havent tried this one myself BUT... I imagine the result could be great after making a 2-3 second eyecontact... Lean your head 45 degrees down on the side with a playful grin and slowly show her your finger (the middle/fuck-you finger). After that, laugh, and then "woink woink" wave her over with your index finger as in "come here". When she comes you say: "I managed to make you walk all the way over here with just a finger. Imagine what i can make you do with my whole body! *wink*

wait for reaction

then direct opener and game.
I've heard that before and so have most of the laides out there. That's not exclusive to PUA. But if you have the balls to do it, go ahead.

The point of fact is it really doesn't matter what you open with if you are confident, having fun, smiling, and have good body language. I've heard guys open with stuff that should NEVER WORK.

What do I mean by that... "Hey, come over here I want to piss in your @$$hole!"

Yeah that worked... I've walked up to people and said, "Frozen Turkey."

then there is the apocolypse opener as well. :D

The opener is not your source of power, it's how you say it. With the right calibration you call pull off the opener you talked about or stuff far far more advanced.

CHEERS

Author:  ace_theory [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:46 pm ]
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Thank you sir for the insight. I learned this rule right quick.

I only started gaming 3 weeks ago and have done pretty well. Maybe it is my airheadedness or just falling into a routine, but....

The past 2 nights I have been out, I have reopened a set I had already opened with the same opener.

It made me laugh so much....I rolled off gracefully and in a cocky and funny way, but it really did give them an impression I would rather not have had.

Ace

Author:  driberif [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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JSmooth... you said somewhere up there...



'It helps tremendously if you are locked in. This is a big part of this, you need to be stationary.'

What are your thoughts on body language power positions? In the bar scene I prefer standing back to the bar facing the crowd, even leaning on the bar a little. Also those high pub stools when in sitting groups. I feel like they assert your control a little more. I think I am going to try the 'come over here finger' from a high pub chair, it seems like a good place to stand out a little and get noticed.

Do you have any favorite stationary spots in a bar scene?

Author:  JSmooth [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:15 pm ]
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JSmooth... you said somewhere up there...



'It helps tremendously if you are locked in. This is a big part of this, you need to be stationary.'

What are your thoughts on body language power positions? In the bar scene I prefer standing back to the bar facing the crowd, even leaning on the bar a little. Also those high pub stools when in sitting groups. I feel like they assert your control a little more. I think I am going to try the 'come over here finger' from a high pub chair, it seems like a good place to stand out a little and get noticed.

Do you have any favorite stationary spots in a bar scene?
No particular spot, just locked in like usual. Back against the bar, leaning against the wall, on a stool, wherever... :) It's just if you are already locked in to a set with your back to the bar for example it makes it easier to do this. Because you are standing in the power position of the group because you're the most relaxed looking.

Jon

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