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| Author: | deano09 [ Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How Dangerous Is This? |
A friend told me that he knows a guy who goes into bars or clubs and asks literally every girl straight up if they want to fuck. I am told he gets a few slaps, but almost never goes home alone. Now, I am not going to get into a debate of whether this is true or not, I dont know the answer... but, I would be curious to know if you know of anyone who has done something similar? and if so, how dangerous is it? |
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| Author: | vitaminc [ Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:20 pm ] |
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sounds like he uses the apocalypse approach. use the search function and check it out. i've tried it a few times... no success. |
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| Author: | J_J_Okocha [ Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:49 pm ] |
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damn thats crazy. i would never do that, but i am sure that there are girls out there who would go home with him. the probability is very low though. also any girl who wants to go home with someone after an opener like that is definitely a loose girl aka probably has major stds. |
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| Author: | Stormy [ Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:16 pm ] |
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I've actually done that before. It wasn't in a bar, though, it was at a sci-fi convention. I went through something like a dozen girls before one said yes. I didn't get slapped once. Most of the girls I asked that of were entertained by it. They were like, "no, sorry, but good luck!" As for the Apocalypse Opener: http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/r ... pener.html It's awfully close to "hey, wanna have sex?" but it's not QUITE that, and the article on the opener actually tells you how to DO it. Your delivery (or at least, what you do for thirty seconds after the delivery) is pretty important. I've only done that once. The girl responded with a congruence test, which I failed. And then she still gave me her number. Like, without me asking for it. There's definitely something to say for being ballsy without being creepy. |
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| Author: | Black_Diamond [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:03 am ] |
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if only it was that simple.... no doubt its a good way to get rid of AA! I think you should try this in a bar you dont intend to stay too long in. I can see it being a very good way to get into that cocky alpha mood we all love however getting slapped and rejected are major DLVs so dont risk doing it in a target rich environment! |
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| Author: | Black_Diamond [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:31 am ] |
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ok i take back what i said, i just had a look at the apocalypse opener that stormy provided. Its f-ing dynamite. |
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| Author: | Grape [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:47 am ] |
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Haha, it's a style of C&F. You're being confident and funny by using that opener. It'll work fine as long as the girl has a sense of humor. The opener should follow with a shit test, and once you pass that, you're in. ;] |
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| Author: | Stormy [ Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:10 am ] |
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Quote: Haha, it's a style of C&F.
Nope. No funniness. You do Apocalypse completely deadpan. It's not a joke. It's not done with a sense of humor. It is a serious offer.You're being confident and funny by using that opener. It'll work fine as long as the girl has a sense of humor. The opener should follow with a shit test, and once you pass that, you're in. ;] No cockiness, either. You have to realize that you aren't transgressing any boundaries by doing it, and you must ACT as though you aren't transgressing any boundaries. What you're doing is not "cocky." It's just one hundred percent NORMAL. You're offering the girl a night at your place the same way that you'd offer her some chips or something. Like, "hey, would you like a chip?" And if she says no, you react as you would if she had said no to the chips. Just shrug and say "okay." Totally normal. As for the congruence test that follows, play it totally straight. No cockiness, no funniness. YES, you really are serious about taking the girl home, NO, you aren't joking about it, and it's okay if she says no. Maintain that TOTALLY CASUAL state and you've passed the congruence test. That's what a congruence test really is, by the way. The girl is trying to break your state. She wants to see how strong your frame is, so she'll do something messed up to see how you'll respond. The verbal component of your response is nowhere near as important as the nonverbal component. If you react emotionally (meaning if your state changes in response to what the girl does) then you fail. If your state doesn't change and you aren't affected by what she says, you pass. It took me a while to realize that CF is not an all-purpose response to a congruence test. If you're already doing it, then it's cool. You're maintaining your state, like you should. But after I dropped most of the C from my game, bringing it in to respond to a congruence test would be a bad idea because I'd demonstrate that the girl had affected my state. That would mean I'd failed the congruence test. I failed the congruence test because the girl I did that to told me that she would go home with me if I remembered her name from earlier in the night. I didn't. She wanted to see if I cared about her enough to even remember her name. Unfortunately for me, I was drunk and forgot her name, and I let that fact affect my state, so I was like, "FUCK!" So I left with just a number. And I got the number because what I did was ballsy as FUCK. That was the DHV component. Any further DHV attempts would have been obviously tryhard. |
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