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searching for a perfect opener is searching for fools gold
after being in set for 20 minutes most girls probably couldn't even tell you how the conversation started.
just use something that will make them think a bit and get more than a one word answer and has topics that can offshoot to further conversation.
bad opener - how are you doing?
good enough opener - what do you think about the cowboy hat look? (best one someone nearby is wearing one)

IMO, the most important part of the game is the 3-5 minutes after the opener.

For me, a useful opener is to bring a girl into a fake (or semi-real) argument with a friend.

I know it's 'old' (according to some), but I find great value in a wing. Aside from the energy and sense of backup (in case of AMOGs, etc.), the most effective use of a wing is as a neg target for you who you then bring girls into.

Both of these I have used twice and succesfully number closed all:

1.

(Wing was wearing sunglasses at night, I wasn't).

We begin to argue. I turn to girl near me.

"Hey, I need your girl thoughts on this matter. Is it lame to wear sunglasses at night?"

(f she responds "no", then I bust her for only agreeing with him for his looks, if she says "yes", then I turn to him and say "haha, you just got rejected by a GIRL!")

All in one step, I have successfully opened, lowered her value (viewing her as just "a GIRL", a random girl, another female), AMOGed the other guy (not terribly helpful, but it an be useful), and begun a conversation. It's important to make sure you and your wing are very cool with each other after this point in the conversation, else you look like losers.

2.

My wing pours some of his beer into a cup and passes it to me. I pass it along to a girl nearby who says "no, I'm about to go to the dance floor", at which point I go "haha! you just got rejected by a GIRL!" ... they both gave a WTF look to me, to which I responded "you're a girl... right?" etc.

there is no such thing as one perfect opener...
what i mean is i always come up with an opener in my head based on alot of different things like how many girls, where you are, what there eating, saying, etc/ this is the way it should be too because even if its hard for you to come up with them like that on the spot, youll gain practice and eventually it gets really easy and its much better than running memorized openers from a website or book...learn to think on your feet and anything is possible

Author:	LAMaverick [ Wed May 07, 2008 2:57 am ]
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Now there are many different types of openers and within each of those types there are thousands. Some are highly successful, others aren't. What I want to know is whats been the best opener for you. And hopefully, by getting some repetition within them, we can find the perfect opener. So just say you're opening line, any type. Its not a test but more of a search, what's the best opener?

Author:	LAMaverick [ Fri May 09, 2008 4:01 am ]
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Or if no ones replying, if you use the line "who lies more, guys or girls?" how successful is it?

Author:	Ultima Ratio Regum [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:02 am ]
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I'll help you out.. One I've used successfully is "If a gay man thinks your hot does that mean a girl will?" Perhaps strange but I can lead it right into DHV on why they would find me attractive. BUT be careful not to seem gay or boastful.

Author:	Fargo [ Mon May 12, 2008 9:00 pm ]
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Ultima, that's awesome. If it's ok by you I'm definitely using it!

Author:	ConspiracyTheory [ Tue May 13, 2008 12:39 am ]
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searching for a perfect opener is searching for fools gold after being in set for 20 minutes most girls probably couldn't even tell you how the conversation started. just use something that will make them think a bit and get more than a one word answer and has topics that can offshoot to further conversation. bad opener - how are you doing? good enough opener - what do you think about the cowboy hat look? (best one someone nearby is wearing one) IMO, the most important part of the game is the 3-5 minutes after the opener.

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Author:	LAMaverick [ Fri May 16, 2008 5:38 am ]
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Quote: searching for a perfect opener is searching for fools gold after being in set for 20 minutes most girls probably couldn't even tell you how the conversation started. just use something that will make them think a bit and get more than a one word answer and has topics that can offshoot to further conversation. bad opener - how are you doing? good enough opener - what do you think about the cowboy hat look? (best one someone nearby is wearing one) IMO, the most important part of the game is the 3-5 minutes after the opener. But itd be good to know what opener hoops the girls the best. Because there are openers which girls find ways to end quickly even when they aren't one word answers, while others require them to think and discuss it. And the ones they discuss are the more successful.

Author:	crodaddy [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:39 pm ]
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i like the good old one.. my friend and I wanna hear your advice on something... -what type of dog to get... -buy convertible car or not.... when she is done just neg her a lil and show DHV that usually puts you in a decent starting position

Author:	stiffler [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:19 pm ]
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there is no such thing as one perfect opener... what i mean is i always come up with an opener in my head based on alot of different things like how many girls, where you are, what there eating, saying, etc/ this is the way it should be too because even if its hard for you to come up with them like that on the spot, youll gain practice and eventually it gets really easy and its much better than running memorized openers from a website or book...learn to think on your feet and anything is possible

Author:	com.solo [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:15 am ]
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For me, a useful opener is to bring a girl into a fake (or semi-real) argument with a friend. I know it's 'old' (according to some), but I find great value in a wing. Aside from the energy and sense of backup (in case of AMOGs, etc.), the most effective use of a wing is as a neg target for you who you then bring girls into. Both of these I have used twice and succesfully number closed all: 1. (Wing was wearing sunglasses at night, I wasn't). We begin to argue. I turn to girl near me. "Hey, I need your girl thoughts on this matter. Is it lame to wear sunglasses at night?" (f she responds "no", then I bust her for only agreeing with him for his looks, if she says "yes", then I turn to him and say "haha, you just got rejected by a GIRL!") All in one step, I have successfully opened, lowered her value (viewing her as just "a GIRL", a random girl, another female), AMOGed the other guy (not terribly helpful, but it an be useful), and begun a conversation. It's important to make sure you and your wing are very cool with each other after this point in the conversation, else you look like losers. 2. My wing pours some of his beer into a cup and passes it to me. I pass it along to a girl nearby who says "no, I'm about to go to the dance floor", at which point I go "haha! you just got rejected by a GIRL!" ... they both gave a WTF look to me, to which I responded "you're a girl... right?" etc.

Author:	tov [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:12 pm ]
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Ultima, I must say I am putting that in the back of my mind to use again tonight. But, L.A, to me, the opener isn't the most important thing. It might just be where I am at in the game, but to me, the most important part is the transition phase. So, for my opener, I will just use anything that the girl can give me an opinion on. And before she can fully finish, I phase shift. works for me. But the opener that I use the most, since you asked, is I walk up to a girl that isn't really engaged in the set's convo and say " Wow, it's a [insert day of the week] night, you're out with your friends, and you look like that?" Then I imitate her, but do it so overboard. I turn to her friends and ask "Is she always like this?" Then I do ask the friends party opener. Seems to work for me since I use my cocky funny to pull it off.

Author:	Mr. Orange [ Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:44 pm ]
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Quote: For me, a useful opener is to bring a girl into a fake (or semi-real) argument with a friend. I know it's 'old' (according to some), but I find great value in a wing. Aside from the energy and sense of backup (in case of AMOGs, etc.), the most effective use of a wing is as a neg target for you who you then bring girls into. Both of these I have used twice and succesfully number closed all: 1. (Wing was wearing sunglasses at night, I wasn't). We begin to argue. I turn to girl near me. "Hey, I need your girl thoughts on this matter. Is it lame to wear sunglasses at night?" (f she responds "no", then I bust her for only agreeing with him for his looks, if she says "yes", then I turn to him and say "haha, you just got rejected by a GIRL!") All in one step, I have successfully opened, lowered her value (viewing her as just "a GIRL", a random girl, another female), AMOGed the other guy (not terribly helpful, but it an be useful), and begun a conversation. It's important to make sure you and your wing are very cool with each other after this point in the conversation, else you look like losers. 2. My wing pours some of his beer into a cup and passes it to me. I pass it along to a girl nearby who says "no, I'm about to go to the dance floor", at which point I go "haha! you just got rejected by a GIRL!" ... they both gave a WTF look to me, to which I responded "you're a girl... right?" etc. This made me laugh cioz i have heard all about people winging my m8s and just getting so pissed off with them for saying aload of shit about them. with these, it could go either way and u make sure that ur wing knows whats going on and what ur going to do. its also quick and painless for the wing as there is the quick, "Ha you just got rejected by a girl" then ur right back into the girl... so to speak.

Author:	Rocker [ Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:00 pm ]
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I am new to the art of pickup, but definately not new to picking up chicks. I though this was pretty good, I did it yesterday. I walked into bestbuy and saw this fat guy bending down and his asscrack was showing. about 10 feet from him was a beautiful chick looking at CDs. I immediately walked by her and casually said, "You wanna see something awesome?" to which she replied, "what?" I pointed over to the guys ass crack and she busted out laughing. (Note the whole time I was body rocking) At which point I walked off for a couple of seconds to the other aisle. I immediately came back and said,"Are you still here? You just can't get enough huh? You should take a picture." More laughing, at which point I asked her what cd she was looking for etc.." I ended up aborting the number close because she started talking about her "high school" . I am 24 so that wasn't going to happen. She was probably 17 or so. Thats the only problem with the 3 second rule, sometimes I just go for it before realizing they are too young. Once you open, you have to go through the motions just for practice and fun.

Author:	Rocker [ Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:06 pm ]
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Another opener I used last weekend and plan on using tommorrow. I have 2 Jack Rusells, and I just take them to the beach and play frisbee. My dogs love to jump on people and look extremely cute. It always starts a conversation. Sometimes the frisbee "happens" to land near a group of hot girls. oops. At which point I either ask them to throw it back to me, and make fun of their throw and tell them to try that again, etc..

Author:	mr.whippy [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:11 pm ]
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Quote: there is no such thing as one perfect opener... what i mean is i always come up with an opener in my head based on alot of different things like how many girls, where you are, what there eating, saying, etc/ this is the way it should be too because even if its hard for you to come up with them like that on the spot, youll gain practice and eventually it gets really easy and its much better than running memorized openers from a website or book...learn to think on your feet and anything is possible yeah deffinetley makes a huge difference if you can come up with a relevent opener that relates to the situation. you will always get a better reaction from the set

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Author:	hollyhollywood [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:44 pm ]
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There is a such thing as the perfect opener. But every different time has a different opener. I find that the best results come when the opener is made for a individual target. So learn to think on your feet, maybe the most important P.U.A. skill, if you wanna call yourself a mP.U.A. then you better throw out the everyday. lines, opener, and preset game.