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| Author: | pratik jain [ Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | What openers are meant for? (India context) |
Openers in game is a huge topic that is always delibrated on. In my view openers are very important specifically in India, because of its culture of being inwards towards to idea of speaking to random people. Openers are categorize in two compartments. 1. Indirect 2. Direct There are subset of openers which are further divided into observational, asking opinions or directions, situational, complimentary, fliratious and maybe more. Indirect includes any openers which are not complimentary or flirtatious (they come into the category of direct openers) So number one question that plagues all aspiring or even experience PUA's is which openers should one use in India specifically. The most natural and authentic opener is "Hi, my name is XYZ, whats your name". This one opener most non pua's will use in a office parties, house parties, or any social setting which both parties are invited to be part of. And considering the social setting they allow the window to start the conversation. But in my experience in random situations or places where it is not a social setting, women react with bewilderment and surprise to this introduction opener. it doesn't make sense to their world view and why not? since childhood we are not trained to speak to random women and women are not trained to receive a random chatter. So I personally discarded it, even though I still believe this should be the most natural way to start a conversation. But we can't our ego dictate but our surrounding and environments. Now coming to openers. The common theory among direct gamers against indirect openers is men are not being honest about their intentions and they are playing games to get the girl. They say you are not being authentic by being indirect. But I disagree. Why? In India using direct complimentary openers specifically on the street are received with a polite thank you and a courtesy smile. Yes some girls(very very few) receive with open receptiveness and allow the window to assess each other. Why? Again it comes to back to the layers they have on them. Women have told me again and again that they won't hook up or start a conversation with a guy on the street just because he complimented them. Otherwise if they respond positively, and if it becomes the norm, then women will be accousted with men complimenting them all the time. And secondly women have told me the compliment are just a tool to start the conversation and they do not really mean it. On the other hand indirect openers are also a tool to start a conversation, but it gives a larger window to a man to show himself and let him see her appreciation of him. In women's brain they can rationalize in their brain that a man has approach her to ask for her opinion or directions and even if she likes him in those few seconds, she won't feel slutty to speak to a random man who is asking for directions.Sounds weird but true. Women are brought up here in India, that if they indulge in any act of slutiness, will make them a bad person and so they feel guilty about it. But Indirect openers has a twist to itself. And that being, if a man opens with an indirect opener for instance asking directions and they keep talking about it, then he loses the plot for sure. Instead he should as soon as he can transition into something personal, probably something man to woman. But most guys I coach fail to transition initially because they operate from a mindset of "What if she goes?". My answer to that is she is has self selected herself out of the equation with you. Why bother? And this applies to coffeshops, bookstores, clubs, etc. But use common sense. Calibrate the openers to the environment you are in. As far as direct openers are concern, I have rarely seen anyone using a non complimentary direct openers. For example "You are such a distraction". It means the same and as direct as it can be but a non complimentary. Complimentary direct openers don't land with most women, because they know that you have wrap a compliment as a tool to get something in return. But yes compliments also create a an effect that will surprise most men, but it should always come from within rather as a way to make something happen. To know more contact at: https://wayofwoman.quora.com/Get-to-know-me |
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| Author: | oceanx [ Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What openers are meant for? (India context) |
Or you could just treat her like she's already your gf in a normal manner and say something relating to the situation you're in. That's not direct and it's not indirect, but it fucking works. Fuck indirect and direct. They both blow ass. |
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