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Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
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Author:  GianniDee [ Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
I went to club and walked up to group of girls. I was wearing prop glasses around my neck and told them to take a selfie. They did and asked me to join the selfie. I started talking to one of the girls I originally approach an HB6 maybe and she was really cool. We started to hit it off but her cock blocker friends tried there best to box me out. I keep on and tell the HB6 I'm leaving unless she let's me sit down. She looks concerned but her bitch friends ignore her request to move. So I start to flirt with her friend and this works. I start to flirt with her other friends and this works too. I'm back and talking to my original target. Its going well. Awesome!!

Then it take a turn for worst. Another group of her girls show up and fuck do they ice me. They ask original group "why aren't we dancing, what are we doing here?" while they all give me glances and not good ones. I try to keep isolating the target and then a girl chain starts to form and they all locked arms. My target gets up and is forced to join them since they are leaving. The pack is ready to move. By this time I'm getting good signals. My HB6 looks at me confused like I don't know what's happening. I don't want to leave. Sorry kind thing.

As they chain up arms and gather their stuff the hottest girl in the group a hb 7 or 8 leans over and says. "So are you the DORK tonight?" She smiles clearly making fun of my peacocking. I'm actually kinda hurt for second, That bitch... hahaha I try to recover but too much time passes and I say "Yeah this is nothing I once dressed up as dildo." hahahaha. What a fool. The worst is the first two times she doesn't hear what I'm saying and there is this akward "What? Can't hear you?" At that point my delivery is bad. She does laugh a little but they are gone. Fuck.... LOL They left me standing there alone... :lol:

So here is my question. Was this a NEG or IOI or both. Or was the HB8 just truly a bitch looking to hurt me to show power? Did my flirting with her hb6 friend make the HB8 open to me since her friend was into me? What could have I done to stay on the HB8 when they were leaving? Assuming of course i didn't fuck up my come back so badly.
Author:  oceanx [ Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
It was not an IOI.

You're not a fool you just fell in to her frame, it happens from time to time.
Quote:
What could have I done to stay on the HB8 when they were leaving?
Her: "So are you the DORK tonight?"

You: "No but at least I know which category to put you in. Now if you'll excuse me I am talking with xyzgirl."

And then get xyz's number before she leaves.
Author:  Melodical [ Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
A reframe pattern interrupt would work too.

Her: "So are you the DORK tonight?"

You: "You have something in your teeth".

Her: "What?"

You: [Silence] but look over her left shoulder about 3 inches above her eye level (hardwired threat approaching trigger).

Her: "............"

You: [Interrupting what ever she's now saying mid sentence whilst making fleeting eye contact] "It's still there".[return to looking over her shoulder]

Repeat process till she goes away.

If she doesn't go away and get's annoyed then relax all of a sudden, look her in the eye for a second then turn to person nearest you and say "Hey did you see (some soap opera) last night, what do you think about......."

That's a....

1/ Pattern interrupt.
2/ Deframe.
3/ Pre-frame.
4/ Re-frame.


All in one.
Author:  GianniDee [ Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
thanks guys, Prob should have done the teeth thing then turned to original target made some chit chat and then asked for her number.

I can't tell you how much this HB 8 got under my skin, fucking cocky attitude. I know this will get me no where so I try to have thick skin and let go. One mantra I always say to myself is "Let it go, She is in the prime of her life but once her looks fade, then what will she have? Try getting a free drink when ur 35 and have popped out 3 kids."

PS This was my first real sarge and You have no idea how many cock blockers I faced that night. I've been trying to read up on cock blocker defense for that very reason. Fucking incredible. Why do these bitches even go out?
Author:  Melodical [ Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
I used to wonder that myself. Women don't act like men when it comes to the opposite sex as they're programmed to actualise a tribal environment with a limited supply of quality men and in those day stopping another woman from having sex was a sound evolutionary strategy.

A deframe-reframe pattern is the best way to deal with cockblockers. On NO account drop into their frame.

If you're in a pub or club one of the best reframes to a cockblocker is: Ignore what she just said and cause confusion. The best line I have ever used is ; look her up and down quickly and say with a slight grin.

"Did you get ready in a hurry tonight?".
Author:  ChocolatePUA [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
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thanks guys, Prob should have done the teeth thing then turned to original target made some chit chat and then asked for her number.

I can't tell you how much this HB 8 got under my skin, fucking cocky attitude. I know this will get me no where so I try to have thick skin and let go. One mantra I always say to myself is "Let it go, She is in the prime of her life but once her looks fade, then what will she have? Try getting a free drink when ur 35 and have popped out 3 kids."

PS This was my first real sarge and You have no idea how many cock blockers I faced that night. I've been trying to read up on cock blocker defense for that very reason. Fucking incredible. Why do these bitches even go out?
If you are going to be going into a large all female set you will almost ALWAYS get cockblockers. I totally understand how much a cockblocker will fuck with your frame - don't worry, you'll learn eventually.

Next time, have your target introduce you to her friends. Become part of the group, not an outsider. You should absolutely ask the friends "friendly" questions to develop a bit of rapport. The best way to deal with a cockblock is not to have one in the first place!

But also, when dealing with groups, get the name/info early. You will never know when the group leader decides to bounce to another location, or leave, so best to get the info to continue the interaction ASAP.
Author:  Melodical [ Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
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You will never know when the group leader decides to bounce to another location, or leave, so best to get the info to continue the interaction ASAP.
Indeed. It's the group leader or "alpha female" who usually decides whether you stay in set or are ejected. Personally when I'm entering a cold set it's the alpha female I speak to first.

In the weird hierachy of groups of females this reinforces the alpha female's status within the group as she's the one being approached and is thus implied the most attractive. If you get a good vibe going with her then it's a meta "preapproved" dynamic for the rest of the group.

Chat to one of her friends first (especially if it's a "rivalry" friend) then she can get pissed off and bounce the entire group to another location.

The smart ones will sometimes even realise what you're doing in approaching her first and you're social savvy is much appreciated to the point of her introducing you to her friends sometimes.

Identifying the alpha isn't actually very difficult. The best way to do so is to watch any girls in the set who are talking and keep your eye out for glances to one of the group. The glances are to the alpha to judge how she's reacting to the conversation.

An example would be a girl in the set saying "I think we should go to xyz bar after here" then checking the alpha's reaction to what she's just said.
Author:  sarabellum [ Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
Quote:
thanks guys, Prob should have done the teeth thing then turned to original target made some chit chat and then asked for her number.

I can't tell you how much this HB 8 got under my skin, fucking cocky attitude. I know this will get me no where so I try to have thick skin and let go. One mantra I always say to myself is "Let it go, She is in the prime of her life but once her looks fade, then what will she have? Try getting a free drink when ur 35 and have popped out 3 kids."

PS This was my first real sarge and You have no idea how many cock blockers I faced that night. I've been trying to read up on cock blocker defense for that very reason. Fucking incredible. Why do these bitches even go out?
You did very well. Women are unpredictable and in a constant state of hamster confusion (except when it comes to financial self-interest). I'm an old man of 50. At 35-50, with all of those kids, stretch marks, sagging, gut, etc, women's expectation get even CRAZIER and frighteningly bitter; they then expect you worship every atom of their being because they will say, "I want a man, who will value me spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally in every way." Apparently, a woman of 50 is hot for the Dalai Lama.

As was said in this thread so well by others, nothing is more devastating to a harpee HB8 than you focusing your attention on a Plain Jane 6. A fella as cool and collected as you will soon have the women approaching you to go home with you directly to bask in your masculine prowess. Never back down from that standard, i.e. she must please you to show she deserves to be with you. Keep your cash in your IRA and your Trojans in your pocket. Best wishes.
Author:  kalata23 [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Was she neg'ing me and this was an IOI or a true bitch?
Am I the onlyone here, who thinks, what the guy just did is that he ignored her friends on the beggining, that made them feel he's hitting their friend on . Instead of talking to your target you should talking to her group. Then when you built yourself enough DHV from her friends, you could ask THEM to take her away for a minute. And then isolate her and start building comfort.
I have been lot's of times before in situations, where I have my target, but trying build comfort while in her group, what happened next? Almost same, what you were saying.
And the new group, that joined you and your set. They were meant to rescue their friend. You should amog them by saying "Introduce me to your friend. That's the polite thing to do. " So, when they join, you can just move to a new thread or do something with the new group, instead of ignoring them and continue being focused on your target.
Just my personal point of view of what you said.
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