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Author:  kalata23 [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:51 am ]
Post subject:  Need your opinion about these openers:
Hey, guys.. last several days I thought about some indirect openers, that popped-up in my head.. I need your opinion and guidance before using them.

1. Sweatshirts vs Shirts:

PUA: Hey, guys.. me and my friends can't decide which cloths are best - sweatshirts or shirts?
HBs: *some response*
PUA: Earlier today we talked about it and had different opinion.. so we asked random people. It was interesting..that he was wearing sweatshirt while I wore shirt and most of the people that my friend asked said "sweatshirts" while most of the people I asked chose shirts..
HBs: *if respond*
PUA: What's more important? What people wear, or how people present themselves?

2. Is it gay if man dances ballet

PUA: Hey guys, is it gay if man dances ballet?
HBs: *some response*
PUA: *False time constraint* Today I watched on the TV a ballet performance. Among the women there were men who also danced.. Well.. most guys think that this is women's territory, but I'm curious about other sex's opinion.
HBs: *blah-blah*

this can be used as additional to the same opener:
PUA: I had watched a modern ballet once.. and the most interesting thing for me was that all the guys looked so girlish... Does only soft men train ballet, or they do become soft because of the years of practice?
HBs: *response*

3. Star Wars opener (i think it's good one after the premier of newest episode)

PUA: Hey, guys, which trilogy is better - 4,5,6 or 1,2,3?
HBs: *response*

4. Would you kiss a stranger?

PUA: Hey, guys would you kiss a stranger?
HBs: *response*
PUA: *FTC*.. There is this video, where a guy is asking different women 3 questions and after that he's kissing with them.. Is this fake?
OR:

PUA: *FTC*.. There is this video, where a guy is asking ......(same as above)... Most men think it has to be fake.. what's the female's opinion?

I know that all of them are opinion openers, but they mean to be openers.. So I would be happy if you help me develop them or at least point me some mistakes/weak spots..

Thank you in advance..
Author:  Dragula [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:55 am ]
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Yeah I hate them all.
Author:  CharlesFinley [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:05 am ]
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They are all awful. Sorry but cmon.

Do you think a girl gives a flying fuck about anything you've written here?

Just be normal. Smile and say hello. This overly gamey crap will just make it harder for you.
Author:  kalata23 [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need your opinion about these openers:
I appreciate your opinion, guys.
Author:  ElijahGuru [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need your opinion about these openers:
Why not just stick to "Hi, what's up?" especially after forcing an IOI. Don't tell me you plan to use those openers cold approaching, you'll likely get blown out. Routines and indirect openers are too PUA, and PUA is getting a lot of media attention so a lot more people know about this society than they did back in the MM days...If you run into a girl and she says "You're one of those pick-up guys aren't you?..." you might as well leave the club. I always go in direct.
Author:  Black Phantom [ Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need your opinion about these openers:
A better way to ask this same question, is instead of asking what do we think about it, to go out, try each one some 3 times, and then tell us how they worked for you. Who knows, maybe you'll discover something new and teach us.
Author:  199Flags [ Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:38 am ]
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The first one maybe. I actually like openers like that just normal everyday questions.

My favorite one is asking girls if they heard about a concert there that night. I read that one years back and have steadily used it since. Within a couple minutes the topic of the concert drops out.
Author:  kalata23 [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need your opinion about these openers:
Unfortunately I have exams theese days. It's my final year in university, so I don't have enough time to spend for testing all the openers and try enought times eah one. So I tested the first one nearly 20 or 30 times and the results are 19 times of 20 good response and engaging people. I tried it in the MALL, on the street and even in the train (I could try them only in daygame, 'cause I'm busy at night). I opened a seller who was working on jewelry stand in the mall (she was also MILF) and still got good response. In my country, when you sit next to someone or when you are waiting your train to arrives next to someone it's a good way to open people with "where are you traveling to" and when I stack that opener with that traditional question it engages them to conversation. Somehow it's not natural just to sit next to someone in the train and ask them about oppinion.
Last time I engaged a girl to a conversation in train with that opener and succeeded to continue my game.

PS: Maybe I'm a little lucky bastard, because in my country only few women have heard about Pick-Up. Also there are only one or two Pick-up teams, who make training seminars and both use direct openers and both are in the capital, while I'm not. So maybe even if I pick-up sometimes in the capital I could get bigger chance to be discovered using direct openers instead of indirect.
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:48 am ]
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Talk about thinking too much....
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:58 am ]
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For a second there I thought I was browsing the 2008 archives of the forum...
Author:  lonerx14 [ Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:50 am ]
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Quote:
Hey, guys.. last several days I thought about some indirect openers, that popped-up in my head.. I need your opinion and guidance before using them.

1. Sweatshirts vs Shirts:

PUA: Hey, guys.. me and my friends can't decide which cloths are best - sweatshirts or shirts?
HBs: *some response*
PUA: Earlier today we talked about it and had different opinion.. so we asked random people. It was interesting..that he was wearing sweatshirt while I wore shirt and most of the people that my friend asked said "sweatshirts" while most of the people I asked chose shirts..
HBs: *if respond*
PUA: What's more important? What people wear, or how people present themselves?

... Thank you in advance..
I did something like this and it was whatever I was wearing I would establish social proof by saying "well I was asking because more people say *clothing Im wearing/ shirt on shirt day, sweater on sweater day* makes a person look more financially independent and secure, while my friends say I look like an out of touch secret country club "

It would work because it has psychological connections with "financially independent" and "country club" synonymous words like rich, wealthy, someone of status. The word "secret" would get translated in the mind as private and this would have others perceive you as a rich pretty boy 8) (I use this to create connection to people who are rich and I try to build rapport
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