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| Author: | StraightGunner [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
I have no problems OPENING or ATTRACTING. I have a big problem trying to transition from OPENING to ATTRACTION. For example: DAY GAME Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME. Hb: Oh thanks, blah blah blah Me: I'm Gunner Hb: I'm Stacy Me: Get this, on my way here I saw a little girl and a little boy holding hands. Looks innocent right? As I was driving by the little boy gives me the FINGER! You see how the transition is really sloppy? Now here is a better set, but sometimes I feel like it's a little TOO FAST for day game. I NEG the target right AFTER the OPENER. Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME. Hb: Oh thanks, blah blah blah Me: I'm Gunner Hb: I'm Stacy Me: Wait, DON'T MOVE! "touches her hair as if there was a bug or something on it" Hb: Omg was there a bug? Me: Idk it was like a wierd smudge, anyways... (proceed with kino games, test games, DHV's etc) My smoothest transition was something like this (ON COLLEGE CAMPUS DAY GAME): Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME. Hb: Oh thanks, that's so nice of you. Me: I'm Gunner Hb; I'm Stacy Me: What are you studying? Hb: I'm studying astronomy, you? Me; I'm studying psychology, I love human interactions. Here's a game I learned in class. *Jump straight into kino/compliance testing* |
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| Author: | powerserge [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
^same problem.. |
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| Author: | StraightGunner [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
I got feedback from someone in the chatrooms and he gave me great feedback. He said that, I can use "screening" as a smoother transition. Funny thing is, I did that in my THIRD set without even noticing it. For example: Me: Hey I just wanted to come say that those earring look good on you (opener) hb: Oh thanks... (blah blah Blah) Me: I'm Gunner hb: I'm Jackie Me: Are you Irish by any chance? (screening) hb: blah blah Me: *neg, dhv, game, gambit, etc etc* Hope this helps! If anyone has a smoother transition let me know, appreciate it! |
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| Author: | WillEdward [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Qualifying her is always good as it gets her investing. It's also more natural flow of conversation then using routines. Escalate small and early on her and reward her as she is qualifying herself or giving more investment. |
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| Author: | CharlesFinley [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
I would suggest that you're simply being too 'gamey'... You're transitioning from a canned "I had to come speak to you" opener to a 'funny' routine-based/gimmick story and those just aren't natural at all. It looks forced because it quite literally is. |
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| Author: | StraightGunner [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Quote: I would suggest that you're simply being too 'gamey'... You're transitioning from a canned "I had to come speak to you" opener to a 'funny' routine-based/gimmick story and those just aren't natural at all.
Then what do you suggest, can you give me a specific example?
It looks forced because it quite literally is. |
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| Author: | Black Phantom [ Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
One of the easiest and also my favourite ways to transition after you open is to simply ask the question, "So what's up with you, where are you headed?" Example: A girl is walking down the street, you walk up and say You: Hey I saw you from over there, and thought you were really cute and wanted to say Hi. Her: O haha thanks. You: So what's up with you, where are you headed? Her: O I'm just talking a walk, it's a nice day! You: Yea, it is. I love when it's sunny. People are happier and women are more beautiful... Get it? You make it seem as if you just saw an old friend, and you are having this casual conversation with. Don't try to be cute. Don't talk about bugs in her hair. Don't talk about some kid giving you the finger. ALLOW yourself to have just a casual conversation, without the pressure to perform. Try it, you'll see how easy it is. |
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| Author: | Chris Bale [ Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Guys complicate transitioning from opening all the time. It makes no sense. To me, you should not be there to get them attracted to you. Instead, to find out about her and feel the vibe between you both, so you can decide if you like her enough to continue with the interaction. My opener: Hi My transition: So, whats your name? You showing ANY interest in her personally, is letting her know you are interested to some degree. Also, girls know why you are talking to them...even if you dont say it. They are not stupid. You TRYING to be attractive to them, is the most unattractive thing a man can do. I hope this helps shift your way of thinking a little, so you can start enjoying the process and having a bit more fun. All the best mate Chris MasculineIntent |
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| Author: | kaseyp [ Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Since you're going direct with the opener you don't have to over complicate transitioning. You can just ask what's she's up to today. You can qualify her by saying "So tell me something interesting about yourself". If you're going direct I also like to point out what I specifically noticed about her when I approached. You can also do a cold read by guessing where their from, or saying that they seem like they're a friendly person (if they responded to you in a friendly manner). If you're at a college campus you can ask them what their major is and then try and make up a cold read based on what they said. You don't want to do too much teasing after doing a direct opener. Although you can do some subtle teasing. One thing I'll often do after a direct opener and introducing myself, is that I'll say "So what are you up to today besides trying to flirt with me?" |
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| Author: | StraightGunner [ Sat May 02, 2015 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Damn, thanks a lot guys. This helps me A LOT with my natural game. I've been over-complicating it with pre-meditated scripts. This was a major sticking point for me, now the rest is so much easier! |
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| Author: | Playboi_ [ Sat May 02, 2015 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Quote: Guys complicate transitioning from opening all the time. It makes no sense. To me, you should not be there to get them attracted to you. Instead, to find out about her and feel the vibe between you both, so you can decide if you like her enough to continue with the interaction.
This is along the lines of the best advice you will find anywhere on this site. After being a constant reader/contributor, it seems like most of the men on this site who have no moves whatsoever when it comes to women are simply overthinking it all. They are not comfortable with themselves and think they need to be someone else when approaching a girl. They tense up, change their tones and lose the fluid mentality because of how much they really want a girl they do NOT know at all to approve of them. That in itself, lacks value.
My opener: Hi My transition: So, whats your name? You showing ANY interest in her personally, is letting her know you are interested to some degree. Also, girls know why you are talking to them...even if you dont say it. They are not stupid. You TRYING to be attractive to them, is the most unattractive thing a man can do. I hope this helps shift your way of thinking a little, so you can start enjoying the process and having a bit more fun. All the best mate Chris MasculineIntent |
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| Author: | Chris Bale [ Mon May 04, 2015 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
Accepting that we are all of equal value makes everything much easier with a lot less pressure. I mean yeh, she is super hot and gets loads of male attention. But at the end of the day, she takes bigger shits than you. People in society, most of the time, spend their life polishing a turd. Only looking after the exterior. The internal stuff gets ignored, and they are living on an empty foundation. If you sort your internal shit, your strength will allow you to pull what society deems as "high value women", from any "high value man" if he is lacking the base level integrity which ONLY comes from facing your internal fears and demons HEAD ON! We are all valueable. we all have fucking value. Sometimes, you many simply need to remind someone who is lost in the worldwind of superficiality. You will remind them that the reason they have all the fancy shit is not because what it stands for, but instead how it makes her feel emotionally. When you are a man of integrity and seductive understanding, you can give her something much more powerful and desired than material value....emotional value! Chris |
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| Author: | H4ck3rLarry [ Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I have horrible transitions from Opening to Attraction |
To have a conversation you need to make it interesting or/and engaging. Two ways to be interesting. One is through talking through exchanging facts such as what do you study? where do you live? what are you doing today??.. then you could talk or tell a story.. I once lived in.. it is a nice area.. the town hasnt got a lot of people but at the same time there are a lot of interesting attractions.. are you a person who likes silence, you dont seem to me like a person who likes hectic places... and keep exchanging facts, followed by more guesses and question, until she feels comfortable with you. You need to be interesting, so you need to either let her talk and listen..hopefully she will like to answer your questions and enjoy your listening skills (nod from time to time, repeat what she said sometimes and lean forward when she makes a point, respond and show expressions to what she says as if you are present and congruent.. actually enjoy the conversation dont fake it with your body language..it doesnt work that way.. show open body language dont cross anything,, the torso needs to be completely open and your facial expressions need to be more animated than usual. Use your hands to make your points. You need to seem confident). Here is an example. Quote: Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME.
Dont rush with the kino? and why are so fast with the compliance test..lolz.Hb: Oh thanks, that's so nice of you. Me: I'm Gunner Hb; I'm Stacy Me: What are you studying? Hb: I'm studying astronomy, you? Me; I'm studying psychology, I love human interactions. Here's a game I learned in class. *Jump straight into kino/compliance testing* So you know psychology. I learnt that if you know about one topic well enough, you can select 1% of it that is interesting and tell it to someone who is new to it and by doing so being interesting. I would try to link her field of study with yours and talk for 10-15 mins. I would talk about things like who people are superstitious and believe in God instead of aliens..There are billions of stars in the milky galaxy alone..all what is need is another solar system and water like the solar system earth has for life to exist. If you choose to be interesting by exchanging facts about something you studied or about what your personal life, you need to be interesting. I learnt business management at uni and psychology at highschool. Those subjects cover 90% of what majority of women choose to study at uni, from sociology to history to arts. I also travelled a lot in the past and I know 3 languages.. .. So as you can see, I can establish topics to talk about given that the target doesnt mind sharing factual/personal information with me. The second interesting way to talk is by talking about different concepts. The difference between a concept and a topic is that a concept could include a few topics in it. You could use comparisons, be creative, provocative, specific, empathetic and be relevant. I took some of those ideas from a book which is called: "How to be more interesting" by Edwards Bono. Here is an example of how I would make an approach. Quote: Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME.
You raised a topic out of the blue.. it would have been better if you were relevant instead.. if you have anything interesting to talk about that is relevant to what you or she is doing or what is happening around you. Raising a new topic like you did is okay, as long as it is interesting or funny or intriguing. Hb: Oh thanks, blah blah blah Me: I'm Gunner Hb: I'm Stacy Me: Get this, on my way here I saw a little girl and a little boy holding hands. Looks innocent right? As I was driving by the little boy gives me the FINGER! So here are the elements of what you said: - Boy and girl holding hands looking innocent. - Driving and a boy giving you a little finger. Few things that you could do. If you are good at improvisational comedy, you could add a punchline by exaggerating, underestimating those topics or using reversal. Most people arent good at this. I would use comparisons. Take two things and compare between them..it is that easy. I would compare girl and boy behavior. I would root it first and say, I study psychology, and I find it weird that boys that can be romantic at early age can also be very aggressive? Do you think boys are more rude than girls at early age than boys? Note: I was specific. That made my statement after rooting more interesting. I also used comparison and took the element that describes people and relationships. Women like talking about relationships and other people..and men like talking about themselves and what they do By doing all that mostly, she will be say something.. she was complaint enough to give you her name at the beginning right? ... Then you can pick on something that she said. Try to take something of what the other person said and not what you are going to say next. Expand her view point. She is not likely to contradict herself, because she already gave you her opinion and you are only expanding it. If the topic or concepts are dying..use linking with statements, new roots or stories. It depends on what you have. You could link child relationship with adult relationships.. bring celebrity behavior cases, bring stories from your relationships with your parents/sister/family relatives, talk about person discipline and how boys who are allowed to have what they want at the beginning (romantic relationship and the freedom to wrongdo) become social deviant in later years. The second way of interacting has the advantage of not talking about her or you in an intrusive or boring way. It is also more indirect and allows you to be more manipulative. The second way requires more creativity and feeling of comfort.. not many people are good at it. Both ways are used to build attraction at the initial stage. The process should take 10-15 mins. Dont drag it for 30-40 mins. You could if she enjoys the conversation and you both have the time. Quote: Me: I saw you from afar and I just wanted to say you look AWESOME.
Kino games and routines are good mostly for compliant girls, for 2 or more girls and when you need to default to something. I tried them on singles..and a lot of the time they fail. All those games,tests and DHV's wont save you from having a conversation.. they were developed in night game to cope with certain situations like penetrating in her social circle, not seeming needy and direct like everyone else around and also lock her into a conversation at the beginning and perhaps kino her early on if you use certain routines or routine stacking.Hb: Oh thanks, blah blah blah Me: I'm Gunner Hb: I'm Stacy Me: Wait, DON'T MOVE! "touches her hair as if there was a bug or something on it" Hb: Omg was there a bug? Me: Idk it was like a wierd smudge, anyways... (proceed with kino games, test games, DHV's etc) I have 4 routines: Best Friend Routine, ESP, NLP and Lie game routine. I have roots, openers and stories within which context they all lie. To sum up, try to be relevant. Only introduce a completely new topic if you have to and have nothing else to say, and your material or improvised topic is interesting/engaging. |
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