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Author:  MaverickWaterloo [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:11 am ]
Post subject:  The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
So I came up with this opener last weekend just via trial and error and so far it seems to be quite effective but it hasn't been fully field tested yet. The only catch is that you can only really use it at the start of the night, it could be modified for other situations, but I've only used it at the start of the night.

Also so far it's worked the best on the really hot girls 8.5-9+, and here it is:

"Hey, I need you to do me a favour, I'm normally a really social guy, like when I go out I do it to meet as many cool new people I can, but tonight for some reason I'm in a shitty mood and I have this irrational fear of rejection, so I haven't really talked to anyone at all. Anyways, all I need you to do is just reject me really quick... tell me we won't ever date, tell me to fuck off, shit, just walk away if you want to, I don't care, just give me my first rejection so I realize it's not so bad"

So it's not perfect, because a huge part of the opener is a major DLV, but there are a couple of small DHV spikes in there that I think make up for it. In my experience the targets typically just giggle and play punch you or say "nooo I can't reject you" or something along those lines and you wind up teasing each other for a bit, you asking her to reject you and her refusing to, then from there you can just transition into whatever you want! Happy hunting.
Author:  JackZero [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
I'll say it again...I normally hate routines. I'll make an exception for this one.
Author:  textytext [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
i don't think i like it but i will can try it out or have a student try it out a few times. it actually doesn't have to be used just one time in a night. a routine like that doesn't even matter if the woman sees you talking to someone else. there is no DHV spikes in there but it's more of a reverse psychology thing. it seems simliar to telling a woman why you can never date her.
Author:  JackZero [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
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i don't think i like it but i will can try it out or have a student try it out a few times. it actually doesn't have to be used just one time in a night. a routine like that doesn't even matter if the woman sees you talking to someone else. there is no DHV spikes in there but it's more of a reverse psychology thing. it seems simliar to telling a woman why you can never date her.
If you don't like it, why would you have a student do it? I don't quite get that logic. Wouldn't you rather your students do something that you'd think would work?
Author:  textytext [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
first of all you missed the part where i said i would also try it out. secondly just because i'm reluctant about it doesn't mean i will shoot it down. if it's effective then it will be another tool. if not then i can throw it away.
Author:  JackZero [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:11 am ]
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first of all you missed the part where i said i would also try it out. secondly just because i'm reluctant about it doesn't mean i will shoot it down. if it's effective then it will be another tool. if not then i can throw it away.
Nope...I saw that part.
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i don't think i like it but i will can try it out or have a student try it out a few times.
That implies that if you don't try it that you'll send a student to do it. That doesn't make sense to me because you'd think that you'd want a student to try techniques that you were successful with first. I don't teach though, so who am I to judge?
Author:  textytext [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:04 pm ]
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first of all you missed the part where i said i would also try it out. secondly just because i'm reluctant about it doesn't mean i will shoot it down. if it's effective then it will be another tool. if not then i can throw it away.
Nope...I saw that part.
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i don't think i like it but i will can try it out or have a student try it out a few times.
That implies that if you don't try it that you'll send a student to do it. That doesn't make sense to me because you'd think that you'd want a student to try techniques that you were successful with first. I don't teach though, so who am I to judge?
you're too critical in my response. the only point i was trying to make was although it doesn't seem to me like a technique that would be totally successful i'm willing to put it to the test. i will possibly report on the details of success later. i didn't know i had to proof and analyze every single detail and word of my response on this forum.
Author:  JackZero [ Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:54 pm ]
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you're too critical in my response. the only point i was trying to make was although it doesn't seem to me like a technique that would be totally successful i'm willing to put it to the test. i will possibly report on the details of success later. i didn't know i had to proof and analyze every single detail and word of my response on this forum.
Not critical, but curious. I didn't understand how you taught, so I asked. If that's how coaching works, I don't get it. Like I said, I don't teach. Why so sensitive about a question?
Author:  oceanx [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:27 am ]
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I'll say it again...I normally hate routines. I'll make an exception for this one.
Agreed.

And I'll venture to guess that this routine was developed because the OP was being honest with his feelings in the moment and just expressed what was actually on his mind.

The reason I think it may be a good routine is because it seems like it could be a workaround to nightgame approach anxiety.
Author:  MaverickWaterloo [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
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I'll say it again...I normally hate routines. I'll make an exception for this one.
Agreed.

And I'll venture to guess that this routine was developed because the OP was being honest with his feelings in the moment and just expressed what was actually on his mind.

The reason I think it may be a good routine is because it seems like it could be a workaround to nightgame approach anxiety.
Yeah that's exactly what happened, I was having a crappy night, crippled by AA and figured why not just be honest and actually tell a girl to reject me, just to get it out of the way, and then she just refused to reject me, I turned it into a solid conversation and realized I could keep it, I mean how can you reject someone who has the balls to come up to you and ask you to reject them?
Author:  MaverickWaterloo [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
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I'll say it again...I normally hate routines. I'll make an exception for this one.
Agreed.

And I'll venture to guess that this routine was developed because the OP was being honest with his feelings in the moment and just expressed what was actually on his mind.

The reason I think it may be a good routine is because it seems like it could be a workaround to nightgame approach anxiety.
Yeah that's exactly what happened, I was having a crappy night, crippled by AA and figured why not just be honest and actually tell a girl to reject me, just to get it out of the way, and then she just refused to reject me, I turned it into a solid conversation and realized I could keep it, I mean how can you reject someone who has the balls to come up to you and ask you to reject them?
Author:  MaverickWaterloo [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
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i don't think i like it but i will can try it out or have a student try it out a few times. it actually doesn't have to be used just one time in a night. a routine like that doesn't even matter if the woman sees you talking to someone else. there is no DHV spikes in there but it's more of a reverse psychology thing. it seems simliar to telling a woman why you can never date her.
Yeah it definitely operates through reverse psychology bud, it's so mind-numbingly simple, it's been driving me crazy that I never thought of it before!

In my opinion there's 2 (as I said, small) DHV spikes in there;

1) when you say you're normally a really social guy who only goes out to meet cool people- normally I wouldn't count this because in most cases to just explicitly say you're a social guy almost counterfeits it... it'd be like walking up to a girl and saying "hey, I'm cool", obviously anyone who goes up and says "I'm cool" isn't cool, but by saying "normally I'm a really social guy" that takes a bit of the edge off so it can operate as a bit of a subtle DHV spike. I'm not sure I'm explaining it right... do you follow?

2) when you explicitly tell the girl to reject you, telling her to walk away is just the same as showing her you're willing to walk away, in fact I think it's more powerful than that, by telling her- go ahead, reject me, I dare you, you're doing something that probably no other guy has ever said to her and it piques her interest- at least that's my backwards rationalization. All I know is it's worked well for my so far and now I'm trying to pick apart the reasons why it's worked for me.
Author:  WillEdward [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
Interesting and funny opener. If she "rejects" you, she has complied with you and you could playfully move things forward and transition. If she doesn't "reject you, then you're in either way.
Author:  Danny55 [ Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
She'll pass out with boredom before you get to the end of that fucking crap and btw don't go telling women what you want them to do either you fucking moron. Here's what I want you to do. Yeh fuck off. It's a fucking terrible move to tell them what to do. Again most women will be polite to you even though they think you are a fucking jerk. Shit you guys are fucking hopeless aint ya? None of you seem to know women at all and your piss poor attempts at getting attention is pathetic. This PUA shit has made you all run around like fucking headless chickens. Must do this, must do that. Must be one step ahead. Desperate, desperate, desperate. Too fucking funny :lol:
Author:  Redmagik99 [ Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Opener you Should Use Every Night
I feel like this may get a laugh and some conversation out of a girl, but have you ever pulled or even gotten a day 2 with someone you've said this to? Not only is it DLV, it's disqualifying yourself, conveying to her that you have accepted you are not good enough.
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