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Author:  Notorious777 [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:22 am ]
Post subject:  pua oepeners do not work
yo ive been trying the dog opener and best friends, best liar openers but women act offended and ask me why the hell i am asking this stuff. pls i need feedback ,,,
Author:  JackZero [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:32 am ]
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Does it feel natural when you use these openers? If it doesn't, you've discovered your problem.
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:44 am ]
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Don't use them just say hi and introduce yourself.
Author:  chw1989 [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:50 pm ]
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Don't use them just say hi and introduce yourself.

I will say PUA openers are somewhat counter productive to your growth as a PUA and more importantly as a man.

What these line do for you is offer a script or list of things you could say so when the time comes you can just walk up and say it without overthinking things or fumbling for words. A play book of lines to use if you will. There are a few serious problems with this though:

1. It avoids your real problems of natural confidence and delivery. In most cases it's not what you say but how you say it.

2. The delivery is often mechanical

3. It leaves you high and dry and fumbling for what to say after that line.

4. It's like pick up on training wheels. You keep it up you will never develop the natural skills you really need.

5. It keeps your confidence from growing because you will always be thinking "I need to use an opener every time I talk to a new girl". In turn this goes against the golden rule: don't put the girl up on a pedestal.

My best advice drop the pick up lines and openers and work on building you your confidence and working on natural delivery. Do this by observe something about the environment around he comment on it and strike up a conversation like you would with anyone else. This girl is hot sure but there is nothing special about her she is flesh and blood and has feelings.
Author:  Dragula [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:00 pm ]
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Openers DO indeed work from my experience.

They are training wheels till you are ready to do it more naturally. They are not the enemy and is a good option if your mind goes blank. Approaching not at all is the enemy.
Author:  breedlove465 [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:59 pm ]
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yo ive been trying the dog opener and best friends, best liar openers but women act offended and ask me why the hell i am asking this stuff. pls i need feedback ,,,
How you say it is what's important. If you aren't exuding confidence, masculinity etc. then no line is going to work much for you. You can try other lines (I highly recommend it actually) but if you are always getting blown out it's how you are talking to the girl, not what you are saying.
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:46 pm ]
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If you're not confident enough to approach without a script, you're not good enough at conversation to keep the girl hooked after the opener.
Author:  geeklovelife.com [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:42 pm ]
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Don't use any scripts, girls can sense that.

It's better to say some stupid funny thing that comes in your mind that moment.
You don't need to think about it so much, just say something and be playful with her response.
Author:  oceanx [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:07 pm ]
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How you say it is what's important. If you aren't exuding confidence, masculinity etc. then no line is going to work much for you.
Indeed.

Also props to the post about 'mechanical' delivery.

FFS the girl wants to be swooned not be talked to by a fucking gamey robot (not insinuating you were behaving in this way, OP, just making a comment on the game in general).

The flat out bottom line is that you need to possess improvisory chops to be able to play the game at the level you may want. Because of this:
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If you're not confident enough to approach without a script, you're not good enough at conversation to keep the girl hooked after the opener.
OP, I 99% guarantee you were approaching with the energy of trying to 'get' something from the girl, with an unsure demeanor and with a 'strangers' vibe rather than a 'lovers' vibe. KNOW YOU ARE THE SHIT AND EMBODY THIS. (Not in an arrogant way).
Author:  ultimateman [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:46 pm ]
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How you say it is what's important. If you aren't exuding confidence, masculinity etc. then no line is going to work much for you.
Indeed.

Also props to the post about 'mechanical' delivery.

FFS the girl wants to be swooned not be talked to by a fucking gamey robot (not insinuating you were behaving in this way, OP, just making a comment on the game in general).

The flat out bottom line is that you need to possess improvisory chops to be able to play the game at the level you may want. Because of this:
Quote:
If you're not confident enough to approach without a script, you're not good enough at conversation to keep the girl hooked after the opener.
OP, I 99% guarantee you were approaching with the energy of trying to 'get' something from the girl, with an unsure demeanor and with a 'strangers' vibe rather than a 'lovers' vibe. KNOW YOU ARE THE SHIT AND EMBODY THIS. (Not in an arrogant way).
Totally agree with this point of view.

Check out this great Johnny Berba video. He uses no clever openers. Just brute force and common sense. Forget PUA routines:

http://youtu.be/3MRtEQ9wrWA

Though his approach has a drawback. He might get rejected more often that he really needs to, if he used more interesting conversation topics to keep the conversation going. But his "opener" is super simple. No stupid survey or fake story to meet someone. Just pure brute force. Love it! :)
Author:  Dragula [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:30 pm ]
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How you say it is what's important. If you aren't exuding confidence, masculinity etc. then no line is going to work much for you.
Indeed.

Also props to the post about 'mechanical' delivery.

FFS the girl wants to be swooned not be talked to by a fucking gamey robot (not insinuating you were behaving in this way, OP, just making a comment on the game in general).

The flat out bottom line is that you need to possess improvisory chops to be able to play the game at the level you may want. Because of this:
Quote:
If you're not confident enough to approach without a script, you're not good enough at conversation to keep the girl hooked after the opener.
OP, I 99% guarantee you were approaching with the energy of trying to 'get' something from the girl, with an unsure demeanor and with a 'strangers' vibe rather than a 'lovers' vibe. KNOW YOU ARE THE SHIT AND EMBODY THIS. (Not in an arrogant way).
Totally agree with this point of view.

Check out this great Johnny Berba video. He uses no clever openers. Just brute force and common sense. Forget PUA routines:

http://www.ultimatemanmagazine.com/no-m ... und-women/

Though his approach has a drawback. He might get rejected more often that he really needs to, if he used more interesting conversation topics to keep the conversation going. But his "opener" is super simple. No stupid survey or fake story to meet someone. Just pure brute force. Love it! :)

Please go away with your links to your website. You could of just posted content instead of linking crap about Johnny Berba who only get's flakey numbers.
Author:  ultimateman [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:19 pm ]
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Please go away with your links to your website. You could of just posted content instead of linking crap about Johnny Berba who only get's flakey numbers.
What's wrong with posting a video that actually demonstrates one way to do it?

Though I agree Johnny plays the numbers game, quantity rather than quality. But that's the whole point I'm making. Forget the routine (unless you really need something), and just do it. You get better as you approach more often, experiment, freestyle, blah blah.

And here's another video for good measure - just brute force. F*** routines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqoAtzTIgGA
Author:  DrewDating [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:16 am ]
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yo ive been trying the dog opener and best friends, best liar openers but women act offended and ask me why the hell i am asking this stuff. pls i need feedback ,,,
change your body language to be more confident - if you cant... fake it!

your problem is that you are not congruent with yourself - people can pick up when you are lying when your body doesn't match your words. try situational and observational openers so you arent lying so much and it should fix your problem!
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