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| Author: | happyslothy [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | cant get ioi in clubs |
so im at uni in my second year, 22 years old. iv picked up girls from clubs before and don't have much anxiety about approaching. when im back at home I just play the numbers game, I feel confident and just find it easy to get in with groups of girls. However, at uni its totally different. clubs are much busier and even tho there is more girls than at the clubs at home I find it incredibly difficult to get any IOI. im doing all the basics like dancing a bit with a group of mates, which is mostly girls (at least HB6). not getting drunk, showing im confident, good posture etc etc. however I cant get any eye contact and the clubs are so packed that you cant move enouph to get around the dance floor. what can I do to improve my situation? many thanks. |
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| Author: | Mastermind9000 [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cant get ioi in clubs |
Girl's involuntary iois are the same the world over and throughout history. You must be doing something different. Is there a chance they aren't looking at you because they are nervous? How are girls acting when you approach? |
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| Author: | translation [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cant get ioi in clubs |
This is up my avenue. Let me try to help. Few questions for you: 1) you're going out w girls and dancing. Your not interested in any of those ? My Prognosis The whole point is to display a high value. If you're going out w girls that don't interest you, and you're so hyper aware of what's going on around you, I don't think your "group of girls" is really helping you display value. Firstly, why aren't u interested in them. Secondly, are they not engaging you? You should be having fun with them. If your a high vale guy, generally they would be also flirting you and trying to attract you.. Why aren't they doing that. If they're not interested in you at all, it's going to indicate to others that your just "another of one of those". Those guys who just got totally friend-zoned by every girl and is out with the group as another "girlfriend". I can tell you, that picking up girls and opening girls in a club is 10 times easier with a wing woman, or with a group of girls. I open sets with a 90 percent chance of success with another girl by my side. Maybe even more. It's ridiculously easy. And you sometimes can visually see the hooking point, the point where they consider rejecting you and then see a girl in tow and immediately either feel it's safe to talk to you, feel like your not "asking" them for anything, or feel like they have a plausible reason to talk to u without making others think they're slutty. Third. I doubt your displaying high value by yourself. A club situation is among the most difficult of social settings to stand out and attract women. It's ironic because it seems like it would be the easiest place to pull girls, but it isn't. To pull girls with a success rate more than the average guy, you're going to have to stand out. That makes sense rationally. Also, it's not so that if you're 1 percent better than the next guy, you pull 1 percent more chicks. It grows exponentially with every "notch" higher you get in being confident, calm, cool and charming. The top 1 percent of males get attraction from 99 percent of women. |
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| Author: | happyslothy [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cant get ioi in clubs |
thanks to both of you for your responses. in response to the first question: i know i must be doing some things a bit different but tbh i don't feel i am. the biggest difference is that the clubs at uni are so much more crowed you cant move without having to physically push though crowes of people. this also meens that you cant see many people as everyone is blocking each others views. at home i don't have this problem as you have a nice space to look around and see thought gaps to more groups. as for the second reply: simply i would have sex with all the girls i go out to the clubs with. im attracted to them and they dance like they would. one of the girls is someone i used to sleep with and another one is my best friend at uni who i don't sleep with but we have no problem dancing like were about to go home together. they're both the hottest girls of the groups and other lads look at me with envy when i dance with any of the girls in our group. however like i said in response to the first reply, i cant see other groups of girls very easily. i try to make a ioi but the girls are either with other lads and not looking anywere but at them or they are in a group of girls (heads down trying to not make eye contact with anyone). i know i have to display value but SPAM im dressed smarter than most (but not so much i look like im in the wrong club) im dancing, having fun, got a group of mates and dancing with girls who are attractive and have no problem displaying attraction to me. but i just simply cant get IOIs, if i did id go straight over and have no anxiety about giving it a go. many thanks again to both. any advice for this situation? |
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| Author: | translation [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cant get ioi in clubs |
It's a strange situation. If you're with hot girls and are displaying high value, girls should be interested in you and thus there should be iois. Either your perception is off. Or, it's a logistical problem: the place is just too crowded, no one can see you, everyone blocking each other etc ... Maybe the place is just really hectic. The solution to the first is to be more honest with yourself z What's your honest assessment of the situation. No one can improve if they can't identify the correct problem accurately. The solution to the second, is to initiate contact. Although I must say, when I go to a club and I'm feeling great. Especially if the place is rocking and is crowded. And ppl are drunk. Girls are opening me. Pulling my hair, asking questions. Screaming. And when they're not. I'm talking all the time. When I go to the bar to get a a few drinks to bring back to my group of friends, I'll be chatting in the line, to the girl next to me when I get to the bar, on the way to the toilet. On the way out of the toilet. You need to be more aggressive. And more confident. And more social. If you're in a group w girls, you should be Merging sets back and forth. Talking to literally whoever the fuck you want to talk to. Bring one of ur girlfriends up to a group where ur interested in a girl and open them. Or just go up to a group of girls and open them. Translation |
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| Author: | happyslothy [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cant get ioi in clubs |
Quote: It's a strange situation. If you're with hot girls and are displaying high value, girls should be interested in you and thus there should be iois.
thanks for the advice.Either your perception is off. Or, it's a logistical problem: the place is just too crowded, no one can see you, everyone blocking each other etc ... Maybe the place is just really hectic. The solution to the first is to be more honest with yourself z What's your honest assessment of the situation. No one can improve if they can't identify the correct problem accurately. The solution to the second, is to initiate contact. Although I must say, when I go to a club and I'm feeling great. Especially if the place is rocking and is crowded. And ppl are drunk. Girls are opening me. Pulling my hair, asking questions. Screaming. And when they're not. I'm talking all the time. When I go to the bar to get a a few drinks to bring back to my group of friends, I'll be chatting in the line, to the girl next to me when I get to the bar, on the way to the toilet. On the way out of the toilet. You need to be more aggressive. And more confident. And more social. If you're in a group w girls, you should be Merging sets back and forth. Talking to literally whoever the fuck you want to talk to. Bring one of ur girlfriends up to a group where ur interested in a girl and open them. Or just go up to a group of girls and open them. Translation i think ill just have to get used to the clubs being more busy than im used to. its something im prepared to work at though so hopefully in a few months ill off got better and this should improve my overall game a lot. no pain no gain. thinking about my friends who i go out with. iv realized, looking back, that they can be very introverted into themselves and don't really interact with other groups a lot (not in a boring way but in a good group of friend way). should i try and up my value with them for a while then split of occasionally (to dance by myself/go to the bar alone etc)? thanks again. |
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