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Author:  lurky [ Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Working on an Opener - Request input
HI,
I've been tinkering with an opinion opener and I'd like some input.

Can I ask you something, Is this (watch, cologne, drink, etc.) too girly? Because I think a guy a outside just hit on me, he said (watch, cologne, drink) is fabulous.

Note: watch, cologne drink etc, is deliberately fabulous

Where I go with this:

- I'm asking the wrong person, I should go find a gay guy
-You're good do yo want to be my stylist?
-It is girly? want to switch with me?
-It is girly? Well that guy isn't my type

What do you think in general? and can you think of other places to go with it?
Thanks!
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Is that question supposed to get you laid or something?


It's a fucking opener dude. Who cares?
Author:  lurky [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
So what’s your point exactly? You’re so good you can just spout any crap and make it work?
We’ll I’m not there yet, so I try to have a few ideas in mind so I don’t run out of things to say.
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Quote:
HI,
I've been tinkering with an opinion opener and I'd like some input.

Can I ask you something, Is this (watch, cologne, drink, etc.) too girly? Because I think a guy a outside just hit on me, he said (watch, cologne, drink) is fabulous.

Note: watch, cologne drink etc, is deliberately fabulous

Where I go with this:

- I'm asking the wrong person, I should go find a gay guy
-You're good do yo want to be my stylist?
-It is girly? want to switch with me?
-It is girly? Well that guy isn't my type

What do you think in general? and can you think of other places to go with it?
Thanks!
The best way to figure out an 'opener'?

Try it out on a female, not us.

Why?

-Reduces approach anxiety.
-Give you real world commentary.
-Builds confidence whether accepted or rejected.
-Brings you one step closer to your goal.

Run it, then report. That's where the balls are.
Author:  lurky [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
I disagree…. I think this is a good place, maybe the only place, to get input and ideas from guys interested in this subject.
In my line of work we do peer reviews before we release a product, the more eyes that review, the more improvements come to light (along with some negative stuff but you expect that).
I’m not posting here from because I have approach anxiety, I’ve done plenty.
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Then you should have no problem trying it out and reporting result.

It just seems very basic.
Quote:
Is this (watch, cologne, drink, etc.) too girly?
The answer doesn't really much matter. Just adapt.
Author:  flamingace96 [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
lol openers barely matter. I open with stuff like "i'm bored, im gonna talk to u."
Author:  djdante [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Quote:
lol openers barely matter. I open with stuff like "i'm bored, im gonna talk to u."
Yep, pretty much what he said!

We all focus so heavily on openers, when how we say what we say is a million times more important.

I'll tell you why I specifically don't like opinion openers though... You are starting the interaction with a lie. That's telling her, and telling yourself that you need a fake excuse to talk to her otherwise you aren't good enough. Sure, it's subtle, but it's insidious.

Some of my coaches still open with the stock standard "Hey, how's your night going?". They can't be bothered being more creative, and they get laid like rock stars, so why change it.

I make all my students master 'hey how's your night going' or 'hey, I saw you guys over here and thought I'd come say hi' before they are allowed to use anything else. Those openers aren't the best ones in the world, but if you can't make them work, then you need serious work on your delivery and body language.
Author:  LIFE PUA [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Opinion Opener's are conversation structures for HER to talk. It is a structure to give her something to talk about. You do not need a reason. It is just you being nice enough to give her something to hold onto. You should need no reason.

People are more prone to open when you run an opinion/help opener, when you specifically cite the reason for help. This comes from Francis Flynn in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology from 2008 I believe. If you need an opinion, people are far more likely to help you. Opinion Openers work more often because they elicit the need for help. This makes the whole opening process easier.

But opening more often is only part of the battle. It does not mean you will get Attraction. Putting the conversational burden on her as DjDante suggests has a lot merit because only a High Value person will expect another individual to keep the conversation going without their input.

For Attraction purposes, Opinion Openers are low in impact, but high in opening success. The point to an Opinion Opener is, it does not need to be good. The worse it is the better, it shouldnt sound scripted or rehearsed, just sound like a real need for help. 'Hey, was Benjamin Franklin a president? My buddy's say he was because he is on the $100 dollar bill, but I dont think he was.'

It sounds horrible on paper, but it works to open because you need her help.

As far as a PU goes, the open does not matter. Girls do not remember the opener. You can run the same opener twice on the same set later on and it will open. It matters what follows up.

Do not worry about the opener, as everyone else says, and keep talking.
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Quote:
So what’s your point exactly? You’re so good you can just spout any crap and make it work?
We’ll I’m not there yet, so I try to have a few ideas in mind so I don’t run out of things to say.
You can make anything work. Because it's just an opener.

If you want a response from a girl (if that's what you're referring to when you say "work") then tell her she looks like a hippo and you wanted to see if she smelled like one too.

That will get a reaction out of her FOR SURE.

But as far as an OPENER getting you really anywhere past an open, nothing will make a difference.

I can teach any monkey with half a brain to "be confident" for 20 seconds to open.... but that doesn't mean they are getting laid.

If you want to know if something "works," try it. Don't post it here and ask if it will work.... because what works for someone else, might not work for you.

Ja feel?
Author:  flamingace96 [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Working on an Opener - Request input
Fuck the opener think about it like you are just talking to someone. You can open with how ya doin? Today i saw a girl covering her face from the sun, i opened with "you know the sun's good for u". She automatically transitioned for me (she later turned out to be kinda ugly; i saw her from a distance. So i just said have a good day and left). The reason why is probably because of body language, tonality, and also because it was real and spontaneous.
look its not the opener, it's what you say after. I stopped giving compliments unless they are actually real. Just open with whatever comes to your mind. You won't be good at this without enough practice though.

Remember its not an opener its just a comment or a question. You are starting a conversation, not picking her up.
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