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| Author: | MattyIce2 [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Approaching |
I use mystery's method, using a FTC then indirect opening but it comes off weird, any help? |
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| Author: | goundy [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Approaching |
No offense dude but MM is archaic. Its massivenessly creepy and don't get me wrong, for the guys who are really experienced with MM they can pull it off consistently. However It has massive diminishing returns though because you can only get better at using the material instead of raising your own level of attractiveness. Be more natural and act congruent instead of using mystery method. Creepy is 100% a sign of incongruence and it definatley wierds girls out. Being 100% congruent with who you are is cool and highly attractive. -goundy |
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| Author: | MattyIce2 [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Approaching |
Quote: No offense dude but MM is archaic. Its massivenessly creepy and don't get me wrong, for the guys who are really experienced with MM they can pull it off consistently.
However It has massive diminishing returns though because you can only get better at using the material instead of raising your own level of attractiveness. Be more natural and act congruent instead of using mystery method. Creepy is 100% a sign of incongruence and it definatley wierds girls out. Being 100% congruent with who you are is cool and highly attractive. -goundy I'm new to pick up dude and I thought I'd start w/ MM. Do you know of any concepts that'll help me get better? Best, Matt |
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| Author: | Bruce-Wayne [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Approaching |
If you're new to pick-up check out some inner-game/natural stuff. MM is a terrible way to go for beginners who don't have their inner-game up to standards. As goundy said, you'll come off very fake and creepy. |
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| Author: | LIFE PUA [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Approaching |
The problem with MM is it leaves out the social normal part of a PU. Inner Game is huge, but a lot of guys have bad inner game and get laid with MM. Going out and being social has a lot more utility without a program and getting started. MM often gives you an outcome, you are doing this process to get something. MM is also Linear, and replaces normal interaction with tactics. If you use MM as a road map and sprinkle in tactics to help improve social interaction it is amazing, but that requires social intuition and calibration. A few ideas on this initial weirdness: 1. Pick a better opener. Avoid 'I need a female opinion' and any community openers. Think of your own, a question you really want answered or something to amuse you. 'Hi' works just as well. No opener is bad, it just is not right for you if it is not congruent. If it works for one guy it will work for anyone if you do it properly. 2. You always need to FTC, but not verbally. Tactically, a FTC is amazing. It adds a lot of social rapport which is essential before attraction. Do not confuse a FTC as a magic line, it is a simple tool designed to get you a little comfort. If she is not comfortable with you she will think you are creepy, kinda how it works. A lot of guys do not use verbal FTC, especially guys who are good with MM. If you open with an indirect approach (Which I suggest most guys do) this is where MM teaches to open over the shoulder. Look away every so often when interaction. Face your body away from her as if you are about to leave. In MM, Body Rocking is in a way a FTC. These non-verbal FTC are far more powerful. You can lie, you body does not. 3. Stop thinking about it. If all you do is open and FTC, and feel weirdness, you are not movin' foreword in your interaction. Or worse, you are stuck in your head thinking about what to say or recognizing how weird it was. If you get to Attraction and it is not hooking and the set fizzles out, then you go over your interaction and see you may have opened wrong you may have validity, but it sounds like you open and FTC and stagnate. Good luck Check out inner game and have the right frame when opening. You should be social and friendly, and assume everyone else is social and friendly as well. That removes a lot of initial weirdness and inner game removes your discomfort. |
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