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| Author: | ziki [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Psychology on Opening |
Ok so I've been reading a lot of material lately. I love the way PUAs have strategically formed the various hypothesis on how the whole process works and constructed ways on how to operate on situations. With most of them i agree. The thing that does not quite stick to me yet is the openers which is the most fundamental of the important steps, cause without opening you have no means of interaction. I mean i get that there are various forms of opening (direct/indirect/ opinion and situational), but the PUAs make it sound like you can deliver them without appearing needy or demonstrating lower value. I just don't feel this way. As soon as you talk to a chick see knows shes hot and you are hitting on her. I mean why else would you approach her. Even if it is an opinion opener, she will think why is it me hes asking and not some of the tens of other people around me? Shes sitting with her friend talking about stuff, and out of the blue someone appears busting lines, hey do you think girls are more likely to cheat, should i dye my hair blonde, where you guys talking about me, blah blah. Its just not natural. And if i cant find a way to convince myself first that this is natural and is really happening, i wont be able to have a body language and the necessary confidence to start gaming and practice the routines that come after that. Its not that i fear rejection or awkwardness its that I'm an empathetic kind of person, and i can imagine the other person thinking, why the fuck is he talking to me, he doesn't know me, why does he ask me this stuff, who does he think he is? Maybe part of this process is not caring in a way, where you can do your bit, and dont give a shit if the other person is annoyed about what you're doing. |
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| Author: | worldrunner [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Psychology on Opening |
That's the reason I decided to do it direct and reveal my intentions immediately or just do not do it. Maybe I can lie to others but I can't lie to myself and I never felt good about asking stupid awkward questions in which I did not care a $h^t about the answer. And besides phone numbers that do not reply, and facebook friends, I never got anything good out of that type of approach. My approach now is just: "Hi, I'm ____, saw you (sitting, walking, dancing, etc) and wanted to meet you" Quote: PUAs make it sound like you can deliver them without appearing needy or demonstrating lower value Many PUAs are so narcissistic and delusional that think girls will pay so much attention in them being able to analyse them and seeing if they have high value or not.... The purpose of the opener is to make her shift her focus of attention from whatever she is doing at the moment into whatever you have to say... no matter how smooth or bad you do it, she wont notice it. |
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| Author: | User13247 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Psychology on Opening |
Quote: The other person is annoyed about what you're doing.
You think you can annoy a girl into liking you? Human beings are social creatures, they like meeting new, interesting people, they talking to them, and they like flirting with them. This is why the success rate of even the smoothest opening line ("Nobody puts baby in the corner" *puke*) is no higher than that of the just-say-hi strategy. The key point is not to 'hide' the fact that you are interested in a girl (like you even could), but to ensure that the interaction is fun for her as well. That goes for everything from opening to closing.
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| Author: | Playboi_ [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Psychology on Opening |
Wrong attitude out of the gate. It is not your place to think those things. If you believe it is going to be awkward before you even go in...it will be awkward. |
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