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Author:  Droogle [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  DAY GAME- DIRECT OR INDIRECT??
Hey guys,

Haven't done any dame thus far, however I plan on incorporating it as part of my 30 day challenge :)

Anyways, for anybody with any degree of experience with approaching women in the day time- which style do you find most successful- DIRECT or INDIRECT?

Do you stick to one style or differentiate depending upon the situation?

Look forward to hearing your advice guys.


Droogle.
Author:  puaninja [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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I do indirect. I'm more comfortable with it because you have to be really smooth to pull off direct, and I'm not that smooth. Plus direct can creep women out if you come on too strong. But I'm more of a Mystery Method type guy. Mystery is kind of nerdy which is why he can't pull of the James Bondish direct approaches as easily.

Also, read the set. If the girl starts flirting a lot or gives you IOIs, then go direct right away. If she seems really shy and reserved, then maintain an indirect frame so you don't scare her off. I mean, a girl standing in the line at the bank isn't really wanting to get all sexual and flirtacioius, but you can still probably get her number just by talking to her about mundane shit for awhile then going for the n-close before you part ways.
Author:  Droogle [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:52 pm ]
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I'm with you man. If your getting IOI's may aswel show your interest and go direct. But if its a genuine cold approach best to go indirect.

Thanks man, shall give it a whirl!
Author:  Sluggler [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:41 pm ]
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I typically go direct..No reason not to express my interest right off the bat.
Author:  iamspade [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  my thought
It's my goal to make a couple day direct approaches this week.

Just from walking around the mall yesterday, if a girl is walking and I need to walk quickly/jog/run to catch up, I would go direct.
Author:  Punkox [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:19 am ]
Post subject:  A breakdown of direct vs indirect game:
Being good at both direct and indirect game are part of being a good PUA. They are both essential components to good game. The key is also to know when to use what type of game. Here is a summary that may help:

Direct Game:
-Requires very solid inner-game and body language to be pulled off.
-Less room for error (less forgiving).
-Rejections are usually pretty harsh for guys who have fragile egos and a fear of rejection (in other words... not great for beginners).
-Saves A LOT of time. You pretty much know immediately if a girl is attracted.
-Great for fit/good looking/well dressed/debonair guys.
-Easier transition into comfort.
-Risks stalling into "interview mode"

Indirect Game:
-Requires creativity to not come off as "disingenuous" or "incongruent."
-Can set you up for shit tests.
-Rejections are usually spotted a mile away and it's easy to back out before you see the train wreck occur.
-Takes A LOT of time and requires good compliance testing.
-Great for decent looking guys.
-Transitioning into comfort takes skill.
-If you're creative, an indirect opener can serve as a DHV.

When to use direct:
-When you've already recieved an IOI from the girl or when you realize that an indirect opener would just sound really creepy. For instance you wouldn't walk up to a girl on the street out of nowhere and say "hey I need a female opinion." In this case it would be more effective to say "Hey... I couldn't help but notice your ability to make your friends laugh... I had to come meet you."

When to use indirect:
-When the girl isn't blatantly throwing IOI's out. Indirect game is great because it can help you avoid blatant rejection. Lots of guys are really scared of this even though it doesn't happen very often in reality... Blatant rejection (more appropriately the fear or it) causes a lot of guys to freeze up in fear. Indirect approaches help to address that feeling that those guys have and allows them to rely on and approach that has plausible deniability. Because of this, it can often make the guy who hasn't had a ton of success in the past to get past that road block and on to a successful dating life.

In summary... I'd suggest using both types of approaches for their appropriate times... I really don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" here... just what feels right...
Author:  Droogle [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:51 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks man. Found that summary very useful indeed!
Author:  Neal007 [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A breakdown of direct vs indirect game:
Quote:
Being good at both direct and indirect game are part of being a good PUA. They are both essential components to good game. The key is also to know when to use what type of game. Here is a summary that may help:

Direct Game:
-Requires very solid inner-game and body language to be pulled off.
-Less room for error (less forgiving).
-Rejections are usually pretty harsh for guys who have fragile egos and a fear of rejection (in other words... not great for beginners).
-Saves A LOT of time. You pretty much know immediately if a girl is attracted.
-Great for fit/good looking/well dressed/debonair guys.
-Easier transition into comfort.
-Risks stalling into "interview mode"

Indirect Game:
-Requires creativity to not come off as "disingenuous" or "incongruent."
-Can set you up for shit tests.
-Rejections are usually spotted a mile away and it's easy to back out before you see the train wreck occur.
-Takes A LOT of time and requires good compliance testing.
-Great for decent looking guys.
-Transitioning into comfort takes skill.
-If you're creative, an indirect opener can serve as a DHV.

When to use direct:
-When you've already recieved an IOI from the girl or when you realize that an indirect opener would just sound really creepy. For instance you wouldn't walk up to a girl on the street out of nowhere and say "hey I need a female opinion." In this case it would be more effective to say "Hey... I couldn't help but notice your ability to make your friends laugh... I had to come meet you."

When to use indirect:
-When the girl isn't blatantly throwing IOI's out. Indirect game is great because it can help you avoid blatant rejection. Lots of guys are really scared of this even though it doesn't happen very often in reality... Blatant rejection (more appropriately the fear or it) causes a lot of guys to freeze up in fear. Indirect approaches help to address that feeling that those guys have and allows them to rely on and approach that has plausible deniability. Because of this, it can often make the guy who hasn't had a ton of success in the past to get past that road block and on to a successful dating life.

In summary... I'd suggest using both types of approaches for their appropriate times... I really don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" here... just what feels right...
Just like this guy said (:
It really depends on the place.
If shes reading a book in a coffee shop. You may go indirect.
But generally direct is the most efficient and fastest way to number close and go for dates.
You may go for indirect, opening rate may be higher but chance to get laid is so much lower as the girl may just want to be friends.
Direct on the other hand states the exact reason for you wanting to get to know her.
Which ever method, you need a good body language, solid inner game and acceptable dress sense
Author:  Sheepy111 [ Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:05 am ]
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i always go direct, if i'm approaching a woman, its because i'm attracted to her. i want her to know that from the off, if she doesn't respond well, then move to the next girl! been doing it just under a month, i've gotten a few numbers, on a side note, everyone gets flakes, don't get disheartened and keep going!
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