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Author:  Dumble [ Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Opinion opener - ok or not?
Would it be ok to ask a girl smell you?

My friend once told me that the fragrance i use makes me smell like an old man. (he is clueless, i smell fucking sexy!)
So, i thought if i could turn that into an opinion opener:

me: hey, i gotta go back to my friends, but i need a quick female opinion.
HB: aight, what is it?
me: my friend over there thinks that i smell like an old man. an old man who has just dressed up for a bingo night. (point at my chest) do i smell like an old man?
HB: blabla

What do you guys think?
Author:  The Mountain [ Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:16 pm ]
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NO man,

Your degrading yourself with that opener. DLV before you even start the conversation. Its not funny and above all, it doesnt come over as confident.

An opener is supposed to get a conversation going. By that opener theyr first impression of you already goes down before you actually had a shot with them.

If you want a collogne opinion opener, there was a good one in The Game by Neil Strauss. It was something like this:

Put parfun #1 on one arm and #2 on the other. Have a pen with you.

Approach women

Say: Hey I need a female opinion om something. Which cologne smells better??

Let them smell colognes, turf on your hand, thank them, take conversation from there.


Though Im not such a big fan of that opener it is by far a better opener than yours. In the worst case scenario you will know which cologne is smells better with you. Who knows, your friend might be right.

Its not a bad thing to listen to your friends you know. A couple of years ago one of mine told me I needed to wear more slimfit. Back then I laughed at him, now I mostly wear slimfit when sarging.


edit: Also, currently I am reading a book about NLP, correct me if I am wrong, but that last line you use: ''Am I an old man'', while pointing at yourself, can anchor her thoughts of an old man to you. I am not an NLP expert (only halfway in introducing NLP), so I might be wrong, but I believe that last line isnt working either.

This was a theoretical breakthrough of why your pickup line wont work. Hope its all correct and hope I was of any help.
Author:  26853450 [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:34 am ]
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OPENERS.DON'T.MATTER.
Author:  The Mountain [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:14 pm ]
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They do matter, not as much as some give it credit for, but they get a conversation going and give out a first impression.

If the opener sounds really canned, or she has heard it like 1000 times, they wont work and will lower your value.

And if you DLV in your opener you will have to work far harder to make up for it later in the game.

One of the best openers is: Hey, How was your day today? or something like that, since it lets her talk when executed correctly. After an opener you need to get material FROM the women you can talk about. Her beliefs or info about her is great for that, because you can talk about her feelings easyer then.

Tell me something interesting about yourself, your looks not included.

Maybe not written in correct English (I translated this from how I say it in Dutch), but it let HER talk and gives you info you can use.

If she says that she has travelled a lot, you can build your convo around that, ask her where she has been, make statements about how awesome the places are she has been to, You can DHV by telling her about the awesome places you have been to or want to go to etc.

Asking her if you smell like an old man is in no way a good opener.
Author:  26853450 [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:43 pm ]
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93% of communication is non verbal. No matter what you say your self is always showing through. She will find you interesting as long as YOU are interested in what you say. What you feel she feels. You can say "I'm a douchebag" as an opener FFS.
Author:  The Mountain [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:51 pm ]
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Quote:
93% of communication is non verbal. No matter what you say your self is always showing through. She will find you interesting as long as YOU are interested in what you say. What you feel she feels. You can say "I'm a douchebag" as an opener FFS.
93 % true

more than 50 % is body language
7% is what you say
rest is tonality

BUT, if someone is asking for help on these forums, it means that neither body language or tonality are good. And if you think its not important what you say, you are not thinking straith. IT IS. You have to be able to trigger the right emotions within the women, and words are a great tool for doing so.

What you are doing is just saying some lame one liners you read somewhere without thinking about it yourself. For example: I have had a job as an on-door-marketeer for 1 year now. Body language is good, tonality is good, and I have been trained in communication. I even learned that of 93% is not what you say etc.

Now if someone opened the door, and I sayd: Hey Im a douche, I smell, etc, would he/she have bought my product?

If I had said that the product is worthless, but with my body language and tonality I showed it isnt, would they have bought it??

No they would want to have information, and thats that 7%.

Of course, your body language and tonality while opening is far more important, but if you say something that doesnt make sence, they wont want to listen to you anymore.

If you show you are insecure while opening, they will not feel attracted to you. etc.


If you wanna play it with lame quotes, lets do it then. This is also something from marketing and many PU Gurus have said something similar as well.

A PERSON KNOWS WITHIN THE FIRST FEW SECONDS IF HE WOULD BUY A PRODUCT FROM SOMEONE OR NOT.

Taking this into PU.

A woman usually knows withing the first few seconds if she would like to sleep with you or not.

If her answer is no, good luck seducing her, it wont work.
Its called the first impression, and its very important, so remember it.

And guess what you do in the first few seconds?? YOU OPEN.
So while opening you have to show you are confident, selective and different than the others that has opened her that day.

Your words are 7% yes, but guess what, when seducing women, you talk. And while talking it would be great, if your words make sence.

So if in your opening you can convey to her that you are: Selective, Confident, different, awesome or whatever, you did a great job. You already DHV'd while opening. Thats GREAT. That makes her interested in talking to you.

On the other hand, when you DLV, by what you are saying, your posture or whatever, she will just ignore you. You will be rejected before you could even try to game her. AND THAT SUCKS.


Please, before saying something on this forum, think it through Superplaya. If opening wasnt important, there wouldnt be this many books about it, there wouldnt be that many people asking questions about it etc. The opener is the start of the conversation, and you better make sure you start well, because recovering from a bad start is REALLY HARD.
Author:  26853450 [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:58 am ]
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Openers don't matter
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Author:  Magpies11 [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:36 am ]
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Opener doesn't matter. It all comes down to what you say and how you act after.
Need to show confidence
Author:  pumpington [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:34 am ]
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go have some fun and field test it
Author:  anthonypham [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:48 pm ]
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Opener is just a way to start a conversation. It is no more than that. THe followings steps are more important.

Of course, if you have a good opener, the next step is reached easily.

But if your opener is average, it is no deal-breaker.

Unless your opener is shit, then you are gone mate!
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