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Author:  vlad99 [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  what i do wrong ??
Today i aproached a 3 set, i opened whit te "who lies more" opener, i modified it a little just to have a conversation after i open , and i had i think a 2 min conversation and afer tath i leaved, they dont seemed to be intrested, they was like " what is this guy doing here ?? " and i opened good,at last i suppose i did....

sorry for my bad english.
ps if someone know a good magical opener becouse im a sort of magician (mentalist) .... and i know a lot of magic to pick up :D sorry one more time for my bad english
Author:  worldrunner [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:49 pm ]
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You did nothing wrong, many times girls would not want to meet random guys and they all be like " what is this guy doing here ??"

If you do not want this to happen, better go direct since the beginning, they'll shut you down faster if they do not want to talk to you but at least they will know "what this guy is doing here"
Author:  vlad99 [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:11 pm ]
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I realy dont like direct, i like more Mystery Mehod...and there are a lot of guys doing it right....
Author:  worldrunner [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:36 pm ]
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Mystery Method to my opinion is a lot of work, and I've never seen it working in real life.
But of course it has many advantages, like you can open sets easily and you do not get shut down immediately.

I've some questions for you,

What's the excuse you give girls to start talking to them?

Do you have a target in Mind before you open the set?

Do you neg, flirt or do something to get the target interested in you?

Are you using some time constrains during your opening?

Do you have a quick way out in case something wrong happens?

P.S. Si te gusta la magia y sabes algun truco por que no solo dices algo como: "Hey he estado practicando un increible truco de Magia pero aun no he tenido la posibilidad de demostrarlo en publico y ustedes parecen ser una muy buena audiencia, quieren verlo? ---> diganle a su amiga que me deje de ver con esos ojos de que me quiere comer porque me intimida..."

Suerte
Author:  vlad99 [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:33 am ]
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So : i use the opener : "quick question who lies more men or wemen ?"
i dont have a target...i just want to learn to open and dhv,close , for now...
yes i neg.
yes i use.
no i dont ...
ps can yu write the ps in english ?
Author:  Gioo [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:40 am ]
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Salut! Vlad

What I do is: I say Hey! first. I wait for the reaction, if they smile and say Hey! back, you should go direct, you save time.

example:

Direct (if the girls seem interested in you)
Me:Hey!
HB:Heyy!
Me: I've been in 4 countries and I never seen a girl like you...

HB: those are a lot of countries.
Note: you never said that she was beautiful. She may say you are lying, but she would ask you...
HB: Why you said that you never seen a girl like me?



You should be able to take it from there, just use that if she looked interested or if she said hey back. I field tested that one and it works most of the time, because she knows you are lying, but at the meantime she imagine that you say that because you think she is pretty, which she would ask you in the interaction.

and you come with something smooth after she asks you that.

if you say Hey and they just look at you like what that F you want... you do this.
Example:

Indirect ( if you think you are not able to go direct use this one)

Me: Hey!
HB:....(*staring at you waiting)
Me: you look like you are from here, im looking for this restaurant " make a name", My friends told me that they sell food from my country but I have not seen it, I think they pranked my ass.
HB:lol, well I have not heard about that restaurant before.


And you take it from there.


P.S: Si necesitas que te lo explique en español me dejas un mensaje, no se si hablas español o que pero el chico de arriba te escribio en español asi es que asumo que sabes español...me dejas saber.

Bonne Chance my friend!
Author:  Gioo [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:44 am ]
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Quote:
So : i use the opener : "quick question who lies more men or wemen ?"
i dont have a target...i just want to learn to open and dhv,close , for now...
yes i neg.
yes i use.
no i dont ...
ps can yu write the ps in english ?



That opener its really hard to deliver, I dont know if you have an accent but I do, and does not work that great for me.

Also, why did you neg? you dont have to neg just because you read it, you have to understand why are you negging?? when are u negging, and the purpose of the neg.
Author:  vlad99 [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:14 am ]
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Hi and thanks for the reply .
ps: im not spanish and i dont know spanish but i understand it a littl :D.

I neg making fun of them, like a dhv, my : who lies more sound good, but the problem its that they are not intrested from the opener, to create atraction i must do dhv right ? but what i can use ? magic? or some routines ? or wath ?

sory for my bad english one mre time :D
Author:  Gioo [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:21 am ]
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Quote:
Hi and thanks for the reply .
ps: im not spanish and i dont know spanish but i understand it a littl :D.

I neg making fun of them, like a dhv, my : who lies more sound good, but the problem its that they are not intrested from the opener, to create atraction i must do dhv right ? but what i can use ? magic? or some routines ? or wath ?

sory for my bad english one mre time :D


Its depends of your style, you could use magic, but remember your body language is important, also your energy.

I would highly recommend a situational opener, instead of that one. I gave you some examples in my other post. Say something about their clothes.
Example:

You go to the girl and say

You: I bet you are a model.

She may say no, and ask you why do you think that. You take it from there.

Bonne chance my friend!
Author:  vlad99 [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:57 am ]
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ok, i found one very good : you go to her and say nice shoes, when she sas thanks you say : not yours, mine , but yours are nice 2. but how i can change this to a dhv or magic, maybe i could do best friends test, or something like this,

ps thancks a lot !!
Author:  worldrunner [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Mystery Method seems easy but in fact if you want to make it work and do not seem like a creep. You need to apply everything.

If you just approach: "Hey quick question who lies more, men or women?"
The first thing that will be in the mind of the people in the set will be:"What the hell is this guy doing here?, why is he talking to us?, when is he going to leave?"

So you need to come up with a very good excuse why you approached them and since you do not want to do direct, you better find a good one.

negging is a way to start flirting with the girl you like, that is the reason you need to have a target in mind before you approach. It is to make things a little more fun and activate the compete mechanism in your target.

If your approach did not hooked up and you do not want to be seen as a freak, you better have a way out in mind, before you are not saying anything and the set is just looking at each other expecting you to go away.

About showing DHV, I would forget about that you can take a course on covert hypnosis if you want to know about that subject I've used that for job interviews because I knew what they were going to ask but I find it really difficult to come up with that on the spot. And I'm not sure if it works.

What I said on the P.S. was why don't you use the following opener if you like magic: "Hey all, I learned this amazing magic trick but haven't shown it yet to anybody and you look like a good audience, do you want to see it? (and to start negging or flirting you can add) Before I start could someone tell your friend over there to stop looking at me with hungry eyes? she intimidates me"
Author:  vlad99 [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:45 pm ]
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Hi again guys, i have a very good story for my opener i was just resuming.
Today after i saw your post dicovered that my body lenguage was wrong, so i aproached an another 2 set, in the set there was an amaizing hb9 italian girl ( i know italian very well) and another hb4.5 and i just opened wit that on the street, it was good i negged the hb9 a lot i have made fun of them (sorry for the wrong tense ) and after tath i leave. in 5 minutes i meet them again and i maked some dhv and fun of them it was perfectly, afte that i had to go urgently, and when i thinked that everything was lost i meet them again, and i started talking to them, after that de hb 4.5 answered the phone end she was busy so i started to talk in italian with hb9 and i talked like 30 mns with her and i ve got her numbeer. after that hb 4.5 was coming to hb9 crying and she said that se (hb 4.5) go home but hb9 can stay, but i told hb9 to go to support her. Ithinked that it was becouse of me but her boyfriend just leaved her ( i discovered tath 1 hour ago when i called hb 9 to see why was hb 4.5 crying)


The thing is that hb4.5 helped me get hb9 becouse at the start she was very intrested in what i was saying :D if she wasnt there i couldn t get hb9 number.....but i will not have every time h hb 4.5 there to help me , what i do ?
Author:  vlad99 [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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world runner your ps is AMAIZING thx a loot :D
Author:  mortiz [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:55 pm ]
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I've been finding the "hey I needs a woman's opinion on something..." seems to be working pretty well, usually give some relationship/friend issue. I think it works because

A) It sounds like you were just having a chat about it to your friends and you feel like you need a second opinion and they just "happen" to be around.

B) It immediately starts a conversation.

I only use this on girl-only sets of course.
Author:  Gioo [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:06 pm ]
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My advice is always go with a situational opener, sounds natural and they would be into the conversation.

After you got her asking questions, you could demonstrate your magic tricks(DHV). Also I noticed that you could speak Italian(DHV).

Just keep in mind..."Once you are common, you become invisible"...analyze that quote.
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