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| Author: | Psychotic [ Tue May 08, 2012 11:11 pm ] |
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In my opinion the most powerful openers are direct openers. Women don't meet men who usually state their interest like this and this opener displays confidence. Indirect openers are much weaker in my personal opinion and usually tends to gives guys false hope. Using a powerful direct opener allows you to screen which women are into you and which women aren't. What is your opinion? |
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| Author: | junior24 [ Wed May 09, 2012 2:54 am ] |
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Direct openers are definitely good but you definitely cant have fear of rejection and must present with a lot of confidence. |
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| Author: | Alphapua88 [ Wed May 09, 2012 6:12 am ] |
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Ur right, direct openers definitely give u a 50/50. Either their interested or they're not. But let me add what indirect opener does, it catches them off guard and if ur game is tight enough, u can build attraction and get them to fall for u even though they weren't interested in u at the start 
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| Author: | rakeal [ Wed May 09, 2012 7:20 am ] |
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It's catch 22. Indirect is way better. But has a major flaw. Lets say I'm approaching a hotty at the mall. She knows I'm into her. No matter what I say, how slick, still at the back of her mind she will suspect I'm into her. That is weak. Shows lack of confidence. Direct game starts her screening process early, which is not good if you don't have obvious attractive qualities. But gives the opportunity for shock value. Where she is so impressed by the confidence that she acts without thinking. Hence when you get a number from a smiling blushing woman only to get flaked on and find out she is married. But lets say I don't approach her. Lets say I'm stuck in an elevator with her. Direct will cause her to feel trapped and close up. Indirect in this case is perfect because it gives you time. This is where my game shines. |
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| Author: | killswitchengage [ Wed May 09, 2012 2:19 pm ] |
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i dont think its the best , sure it gives you 50/50 chance but yet i tried it 2 times and failed , i think indirect is much safer i think we should use it when a girl is giving us too much ioi |
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| Author: | Ecudes17 [ Wed May 09, 2012 9:32 pm ] |
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they both have their pros and cons. Indirect openers and indirect game in general tends to disarm a womens bitch shield. I personaly prefer indirect on 10's or girls who get hit on often. If your going to go direct on a 10 you better have your shit together because she's going be acustomed to getting hit on by men all the time, making your intentions known right off the bat is a good way to get yourself blown out of set. Direct aproaches work best on girls with lse or girls who wouldnt percieve their own value to be a lot greater than yours upon your aproach. Also, going direct would be the best choice if your getting strong ai from a women. |
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| Author: | JSmooth [ Wed May 09, 2012 9:51 pm ] |
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Quote: Ur right, direct openers definitely give u a 50/50. Either their interested or they're not.
I have to chime in here... First off let me respond to something Alphapua88 said. I think we would all agree that sometimes you open a women with something indirect, she isn't into you initially, but the indirect allows you to build attraction some times. But let me add what indirect opener does, it catches them off guard and if ur game is tight enough, u can build attraction and get them to fall for u even though they weren't interested in u at the start On the other hand of that, there are times that you can go indirect, do all the things you need to do and guess what...the girl still doesn't like you, and now you've wasted 15-20 minutes on that set. Guys this is like arguing what is better a flat head screwdriver or a phillips head screwdriver. They are both similar tools but are used at different times depending on the situation. That isn't to say one is better or worse than the other it depends on your goals with the set, the girl, and the dynamic. If I'm going for a single night lay I'm going direct cause I don't want to waste a bunch of my time in the club that closes in two hours on sets that are going to bust. If I'm going to just open practice pickup and see how long I can stay in set indirect is great! Direct Openers Pros: are good cause they display confidence, they can screen women very quickly, the work very well with small sets or singles, this can yield in a stronger attraction faster. Direct Opener Cons: takes more confidence to pull off, not so good for groups cause you can't switch who you like later, you may have a girl tell you no where if she knew you better she'd say Yes. Indirect Opener Pros: are good for group settings to allow you to talk more, you can build attraction, you can switch targets if you want, these are easier to use for most people starting out. Indirect Opener Cons: time spent in sets to nowhere, don't work so well with singles or day game when people have less time to socialize... Again guys its just a different tool in your tool box to use. You have indirect openers, direct openers, sexual openers, non-verbal openers, etc. Each are a little different in their uses and applications. Becoming good at this stuff is building up your skill level with each one of those tools to become a carpenter of pickup.  Jon |
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| Author: | Hoopz000 [ Wed May 09, 2012 10:01 pm ] |
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Great opinions in here. Like everyone said, it really comes down to your personal style and the situation at hand. There's not real way to say one is better than the other due to the variables that come into play. |
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| Author: | Alphapua88 [ Thu May 10, 2012 8:25 am ] |
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Here here!! Haha nice information 
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| Author: | vcwriter [ Sat May 12, 2012 4:03 am ] |
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Direct openers are the most powerful, but also the most tricky. If you're not used to meeting attractive girls you can blow yourself out. But once your confidence improves and you're socially calibrated... some amazing things can happen in a really short time by going direct. |
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