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Author:  OilBurner [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:  DG, direct openers in Canada, what am I doing wrong
Hi everyone,

I just recently overcame my AA. In past two weeks I opened directly over 20 girls that I met on street or in a mall. Still no success. So my question is: What the f**k am I doing wrong? I always thought that once I learn to deal with AA, everything would go smoothly.

My approaches are like this: When I'm passing by a girl, I look at her face judging if I want to meet her... If so, after 2-3 secs I turn back and run after her (she is still pretty close). Then I say something like: 'Excuse me. I just passed you by and my first impression was that it might be interesting to get to know you'. I also tried '... and I thought I would like to meet you' or '... and my first thought was that you are absolutely beautiful and I would love to meet you', etc. The reactions I get are either 'I have a boyfriend' (that happens very often) or "I'm in a rush", etc.

I do smile in a friendly manner and maintain EC, at least when saying the 'you are beautiful, I want to meet you' part. My problem is I'm not fluent in English and I have a strong accent. Still, I would expect to have at least few positive reactions by now.

In case it matters: I live in a ~300k Canadian city.
Author:  LocoPuaBr [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:42 pm ]
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Just a tip. Do not let them pass then run after. Approach the girls by the front, never from the back. Approaching them the way you do is a DLV just by itself. Now, you stated that you are not fluent in english. Make sure you speak everything very clearly. Practice it beforehand if you need.
Author:  Agent Juliet [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:30 am ]
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Ok... Here's what might be your problem, as I see it...

You seem to deliver your first line, and expect a positive, reciprocal reaction from the girl... This is not going to happen... You just stunned her by telling her you find her attractive: this is so totally outside her frame of reference that she's immediately going to engage a kind of self-defense mechanism, unless you move the conversation on very quickly...

Before she has time to say anything, start stacking assumptions, and latch on to any topic of conversation that comes up.
Also, try multithreading to keep her hooked.

If she gives you objections such as "I'm in a hurry", just say "me too, I have to meet a friend in a minute" or "OK", and carry on as normal with the conversation.
If she tells you she has a boyfriend, ask her if she's happy with him, and judge whether the conversation is worth pursuing based on her reaction (if she hesitates, she was either bluffing, or in a doomed relationship anyways).

Hope this helps.
Author:  pumpington [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:40 am ]
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ok so you direct open, here are some points

-eye contact first
-use excuse me to stop her and approach from the front, eye contact 1st and hold it, never break it before she does, and make damn sure she has stopped moving
-address the situation of the conversation before it begins (i know this is random but..)
-give her the compliment on her physical appearance, you can use beautiful, but i hate that shitty word, and would never use it over cute/hot/smoking/smoke show/adorable really hit them hard with the fact you are into how they look, don't be all walt disney about it
-don't wait for a response from the compliment, immdiately stack forward into a convo, just start qualifying her right away
-close relatively fast, don't spend too much time fucking around, 2-15 minutes is good enough, get the number and get out, and always no matter how it goes try to close, she has to leave, get the number first, she says she doesn't know you well enough, tell her about yourself and try again, find ways around her objections
Author:  Vitamin-J [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: DG, direct openers in Canada, what am I doing wrong
Cheers pump! always good stuff out of you.


open, stay confident in BL vocal tone and speach.
Quote:
Excuse me. I just passed you by and my first impression was that it might be interesting to get to know you'.
Don't say excuse me and don't be too "wordy" it's okay to open with a complement "I love your boots" or whatever, your conveying interest right away and it's the confidence in that women find attractive, if your stumbling or take too long to get to the point or ANY else that doesn't scream confidence, direct just isn't going to work.

it's common for me to open with stuff like "Hey! I love your jacket, it looks really cute on you"

break thread, and open a new one, be flirty and confident hold eye contact and kino as soon as possible (if you cant make an opportunity to kino in the first 2 minutes your doing something wrong)


post field reports brother! good to hear your getting out there and getting shit done :)


Vitamin-J

Moderator
Author:  OilBurner [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:53 am ]
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Thanks guys. I'm replying so late because I wanted to try couple things in the field first. I'm definitely making good progress. Started having more short conversations and even got some numbers. I don't think they will result in 2days because I messed up a bit, but still, I'm quite happy with this improvement.

I found out that FTC works great for me. I throw it in right after the 'you are beautiful' part. Also learnt to build attraction very fast (not so hard for a guy who just moved in from another continent, seeking for adventure). Now I need to work on kino.
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