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Author:  clutch88 [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:39 am ]
Post subject:  HOT HB 9.9. Did pretty well, but somehow didn't close.
I would've said HB 10, but I know a bunch of you would riot. If someone can explain how to upload pics, I will let the field decide how hot she is. Here is following conversation with my dissection in parenthesis. she talked to me for over an hour and a half, three years older (I"m 22), but still didn't close. I'm lost, help me figure out what I did wrong.

Me: This messeage was brought to you by tampax. Its not the best message, but its up there!!! (solid opener I use, but she didn't respond)
Me: Nice job checking me out. But lets just stick to being chatting buddies.
Her: What are you talking about.
ME: When you clicked on my profile it says you check eed me out. Duh! How long have you been using this!
Her: When u sent me a message, I looked at your profile, whats your point?(shit test)
Me: I also looked at yours and determine….lets just be friends.(made her think i only wanted to be friends....yeah right)
Her: I have enough friends. (still on auto bitch shield)
Me: Bullshit, no one ever has enough friends ( callin her out for it)
Her: I do.
Me: I live in a big city and have plenty. How many people live in Qindao.
Her: 8 million or so.
Me: Damn, you don’t look chineese (fuck, 8 million, that's bigger than my city, so I deflected the issue. she obviously looks caucasian)
Her: I’m not
Her: So…before you said you just want to be friends….right?
Me: Yes, so stop trying to send me pics! (added humor)
Her: Are you a psychology student or what? ( I took this as a compliment and that I deflected the bitch shield, what do you guys think)
Me: Wow that was random? What brought you to that conclusion?
Me: Your way of talking.
Me: What? English? Haha
Her: No…answer the question
Me: No. I have a job that changes peoples lives. What do you do? ( I think i got this from afc adam, but can't remember)
Her: What job is that?
Me: How about u answer my question first! And then I’ll answer yours
Her: No….i asked first.
Me: k. I’m a disabled penguin trainer.
Me: U?
Her: The same.
Me: No way!! How have we not met before?!
Her: I’m not sure, but it was for the best
Me: Yeah I wouldn’t want to embarrass you with the plethora of firend that I have. (kinda thought this was stupid, what else could I send)
Her: Yeah….thats what I was thinking?
Me: Jennifer, are you just saying, what I’m saying?
Her: Yes,
Me: Ok, well instead of boring smalltalk, lets play 20 questions instead. However, I have 3 rules. U down? ( forgot where i got this routine, but its magic)
Her: Not sure….what are the rules
Me: One. no boring questions. 2 no lying!
Her: Boring = subjective
Her: Ok…lets go
Me: Boring=what is favorite color, etc. OH, and my last rule #3. You ask first! (boom, always works!)
Her: You suck
Her: Ok…
Me: Have you ever had a gay fantasy? ( who the fuck asks that?)
Me: Oh god no! I’m stragith as a ruler!
Her: Some rulers bend
Me: What is your favorite part on a man? Or if you’re feeling frisky….woman? ( didn't get caught up with ruler argument, stuck to the routine)
Her: Man is his arms, woman is her tits
Her: What drugs have you done?
Me: Nothing passed weed. Where is the crazienst place you’ve had sex with someone?
Her: In the ass.
Her: Have you committed any crimes
Me: Hhahaha, I meant like an actual place dummy. Mine was in a waterslide. (actually true about the waterslide)
Her: I know…I was joking
Me: Til the damn lifeguard ruined it and called adult swim!! Lol jk it was at night
Her: Nothing too crazy…just outside in the grasss, movie theater
Me: No crimes, why does everyone always ask me thtat? What turns you on the most?
Her: why are your questions so sexual?
Me: Cuz its more fun, thought we were friends? (still stuck with the friends theme....right)
Her: Someone talking to me in a different language.
Me: Si!
Her: We’re not friend thought...we already talked about this
Her: How many times have you measured your cock?
Me: None actually. I’m not trying to be cocky (pun intended) but all the girls I’ve been with have always complemented me so I never felt the need to. ( i thought it was a good response, what you guys think?)
Her: You are trying to be cocky.
Me: No def not, but speaking of measurements, what are yours?
Her: 32 23 33 (DAYUM!)
Her: How many girls are you talking to right now besides myself
Her: ((tapping fingers on table))
Her: ((waiting)) (she sent this one after the other)
Her: Be honest…( I purposely waited a little longer to send response)
Me: Haha hold on!! I’m in the middle of talking to someone.( I lol'd myself)
Me: Haha jk.
Me: Just you, you can keep up with me :)
Her: You’re too slow.
Me: Yeah right! I’m about to go, but your fun, give mme your email and we can talk some more.
Her: You’re leaving?? ( dissapointed)
Her: K, bye
Me: Well give me your email first
Her: No
Her: Later…
Me: Well how can I get in touch with you then dummy? I’m not on here this much
Her: I guess you can’t
Her: Nice talking to you. Bye kyle ( said my name, that's a good sign)
Me: Guess not. Bye jennifer

damn guys, what happend? I've been thinking about how I didn't close, and need some opinions. did i try and close too soon. the conversation was over an hour long. Also, feel free to comment on any ways I can improve my online chatting.

Thanks
Author:  Don Draper [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:31 am ]
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Well, I didn't see anything 'special' in there which could have swung it your way.

When online, make the target identify with you, get similarities out and most importantly, make her laugh. She has to understand you're a bit different from the 50 odd who message her. Now, you did do a good job of turning this around frame-wise on her part, but you didn't do ENOUGH.

Also, the end part felt a little rushed AND telling her you're talking to other girls and you need time (joke, obviously) was still a bit cocky.
Author:  clutch88 [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:39 am ]
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Ok thanks for that, my idea was to close on top, but I guess with models and beautiful women you have to hang in a bit longer to close. Anyways she added me to her 'hotlist' and will probably be on again. Any good suggested openers?
Author:  AttractionKings [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:31 am ]
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I've seen worst haha but not to bad. I think you could've done a better job turning off her bitch shield. It seems like the first half of the convo you guys were just arguing. Although you did get it off eventually so rough start, but you made it out.

I don't like how you started off questions directly at sex. You told her you just wanted to be friends. In my opinion you should've got her to start liking you first before even mentioning sexual sh*t.

good job catching her attention towards the end though. But you cut it off wayyy to early, she just started getting interested and you shut the door. I think if you kept it open longer it would've worked better.

Also a little to much cocky funny. You called her dummy multiple times i think. And the vibe was just bad. Cocky funny is awesome if you know how to use it right. I use it but I also play the nice guy at the same time, not the mean guy. Hope you can see the difference when going back and reading this. Just because she has a bitch shield on doesn't mean you need to encourage it.


Hope this helps bro, PM if you have any questions.
Author:  Don Draper [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:30 pm ]
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Quote:
Ok thanks for that, my idea was to close on top, but I guess with models and beautiful women you have to hang in a bit longer to close. Anyways she added me to her 'hotlist' and will probably be on again. Any good suggested openers?
Why would you need openers? You've already broken the ice.

A simple "Hello." would do the trick for you, considering she's already interested.
Author:  clutch88 [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:03 pm ]
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Thanks, youre right, I don't need any openers since I already opened. duh! I overcomplicate things sometimes. Atrraction king, thanks for the input. I feel like I see the conversation better now. Maybe a little too cocky funny, but that's mostly who I am. I'll try the nice guy card a little more. I now realized that she was just geting started and tried to close too soon. How else can I answer the question "how many girls are you talking to?" That question gets me into questions.

One last quesion.

are there any other routines than 20 questions?
Author:  Don Draper [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:29 pm ]
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Thanks, youre right, I don't need any openers since I already opened. duh! I overcomplicate things sometimes. Atrraction king, thanks for the input. I feel like I see the conversation better now. Maybe a little too cocky funny, but that's mostly who I am. I'll try the nice guy card a little more. I now realized that she was just geting started and tried to close too soon. How else can I answer the question "how many girls are you talking to?" That question gets me into questions.

One last quesion.

are there any other routines than 20 questions?
Just tell her that she has all your undivided attention at this moment. Women love being the spot of focus. Yes. No Cocky Funny. No I-Am-Too-Cool-For-You. Just a normal line which actually makes her feel special that she's getting all of you to herself.

Look every "routine" you talk about is basically the same thing. You ask questions, you seek answers. So, why don't you work with that. Keep asking her things, show your interest and she will reciprocate that back to you.

There's a rule of power : Give before you take.

Give her your interest, she will be compelled to give back hers.
Author:  ItsAlwaysOn [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:24 pm ]
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call me crazy, but i like your persistence. personally, i only like talking to girls who are fun and playful, so i probably would have given up a message or two into this. but maybe thats what it takes to get the truly hot girls online?

damn, though, thats some bitch shield. i mean, the whole first half of the conversation she's continually telling you shes not interested. yet she was still talking to you. good job sticking with it at the very least.

im still not totally convinced you have a chance with her though.
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:00 am ]
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girl was low interest whole way, cut all your comments out of this convo and just read hers, low reactivity, low interest, no ioi's, you should focus more on positive framing, and breaking report off her iod's, it is also wise to keep multi threading, and as soon as a thread goes counter productive, positively re-frame and cut the thread, return to an old one, leaves a whole bunch of positive dead ends in her mind, keep doing this until she starts becoming responsive,

also giving her frame control at the start was a bad idea, should have held that fucking frame until she backed out of the bitch shield, you were first to qualify, and first to give up frame control, when dealing with hotties they tend to have strong frames, don't crumble under them
Author:  clutch88 [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:22 am ]
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pumpington: If she wasn't interested, why did she talk to me for an hour and a half? If she wasn't interested, she wouldn't have responded at all. oh, and SHE also added ME to her hotlist. I'm not saying I did great ( I know I need to improve), but C'mon, not interested at all?

And could you give more specifics, about where I lost the frame and how I can change that? I get what your saying about multi threading and positively re-framing, that's a good strategy, so I'll try that next time.

Itsalwayson: yes, I was persistent from the beginning because it said she was currently located in China, so I was like 'fuck it, lets see what happens'. if she's in china then the logistics are probably gonna be pretty difficult, so I'm basically chatting to her for practice.

Don Draper: So after she is interested, you are suggesting to significantly tone down cocky funny and be nice guy and giver her your interest? Just trying to clarify.

Thanks guys.
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:44 pm ]
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Quote:
pumpington: If she wasn't interested, why did she talk to me for an hour and a half? If she wasn't interested, she wouldn't have responded at all. oh, and SHE also added ME to her hotlist. I'm not saying I did great ( I know I need to improve), but C'mon, not interested at all?

And could you give more specifics, about where I lost the frame and how I can change that? I get what your saying about multi threading and positively re-framing, that's a good strategy, so I'll try that next time.

Itsalwayson: yes, I was persistent from the beginning because it said she was currently located in China, so I was like 'fuck it, lets see what happens'. if she's in china then the logistics are probably gonna be pretty difficult, so I'm basically chatting to her for practice.

Don Draper: So after she is interested, you are suggesting to significantly tone down cocky funny and be nice guy and giver her your interest? Just trying to clarify.

Thanks guys.
you need to learn the difference between LOW INTEREST and NO INTEREST,

if someone actively seeks report with me, and offers emotional stimulation, i will allow that person to have report (usually),

but seriously read her replies, she did not ever during the conversation, qualify herself to you, she did not ever give a single ioi, all her answers were non reactive (she gives as little detail/input as possible), she continuously achieved frame control, and when she had frame control, she continually placed you into negative frames,

notice these things they are common to the person who is actively in frame control, they respond with a question, a command/demand, they answer with, no, it is this (this being something that indicates you are incorrect about something), when asked to validate a question, they respond as vague as possible or don't give you the answer you are seeking instead use things such as general comments that have nothing to do with your question

also there is a tendency for a thread to be devalued if you jump through a hoop to get an answer, (she makes you answer a question 1st before answering yours, or makes you submit to a command),

also it is common for the person in frame control to be cutting threads and adding new ones,

do not give girls frame control, it usually ends up counter productive to your progress,

this girl had utter frame control over you during this whole convo, the only time she even validated your answers is when it already fit a frame that she set, that allowed you to be negatively framed in relation to her,

report does not = sexual interest/attraction,

that being said, it is not impossible to create sexual interest/attraction,
but as of now and judging off this convo, she is low interest

you see high interest doesn't look like this, high interest girls give ioi's, they are reactive, they qualify, they agree to meet up
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