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Author:  DotsnHots [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  About To Give Up...

Well, I once thought I had a few tips figured out and thought I knew a few things, but... well..

If i'm a nice guy: I will be nothing more than a nice guy and end up as a friend, and getting out of that damned friend zone is not something I know how to do.

If I'm a cocky/confident/jerk: I'm nothing but a jerk and they won't talk to me, plain and simple.

My profile: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/cge319

My problems:
- I can't get anyone to hang out.. even friends or people I know.. every one just says they're busy or gives me some general lame excuse. Yet, they're constantly hanging out with other people.. trust me, if a woman likes you.. she'll find a way to see you.

- The women that do respond back to messages will rarely talk to me. I guess I just don't bring up interesting enough conversation?

- While chatting like (Facebook IM) for example.. the majority of every response I get is "ok" or "yea". If you don't want to talk to me.. just tell me to piss off.. and that'll be the end of it. :( Again, not interesting enough.

Any pointers on the profile would be great.. and I'll just have to keep digging around looking for what messages to send.

I live in this small town and there's no place where people actually go to hang out (no clubs/etc).. I'm just not good at this.. I'm good at being the romantic/nice guy but I'm just sick of it.. I'm so tired of being a nice guy because if you've ever been a nice gy you know, we constantly get screwed.. (not in the fun way either).

Author:  Johannes11 [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:40 pm ]
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I'm far from the expert on this but, actually, i think one problem you may have is just your time of day. When I text or message people in the middle of the day they don't respond to shit. You could be telling them the most interesting thing in the world, you could tell them how the world will end and they will just give you an "k" back.

Night is when the internet gets hoppin, I've had crazy online convo's with girls at night. You know where you lose track of time and talk for hours. Then the girls get kinda tired and start telling you crazy shit. If you talk at night people are much more receptive.

Ok, second thing, when I read your profile you just talk about you. To have a seductive personality you have to be self important and therefore have a vision for the future. How would you change the world if you could? Don't just talk about yourself, set a frame, a reality, around yourself. think of yourself as the first citizen in your ideal universe, not just as a guy in someone elses world who has a different opinion. If you don't like cheese say that every piece of cheese in the world should be destroyed in a giant cheese inferno. Then you have to start justifying your decisions and being controversial and women will find that interesting.

As for asking the girls out, I think you are experiencing a lot of rejection on principle. A lot of these girls know that their friends would think they were weird for dating a guy online, so they have a rule that they won't, and they will follow it even if they think you're the best guy on earth.(well maybe not then...) Try to make things gradually more intimate by asking for their number first and also, start creating hypothetical situations where you didn't meet online that sound desirable to her, and that will overcome the rejection on principle.

Author:  skypirate35 [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:07 am ]
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If you don't have an attractive lifestyle to work with the good thing about FB is you can play a "long game", comment irregularly, don't FB IM and watch what they're saying about stuff. in this way you can dripfeed your personality on to them gain comfort but avoid the friendzone and have stuff to talk about when you do make a move. Maintain mystery by rarely posting on your own page or going on the IM. have it offline. If you ever need to explain just say it doesn't work properly, keeps disconnecting. Use external IM but don't publicise it. The minute you start having full blown conversations you start a ball rolling.

I wonder if perhaps your profile suffers from too much information and possibly too much information that has little meaning or is negative or contradictory. TMI easily leads to shooting yourself in the foot and dilutes the good stuff. Your angle could be where you're going in life. small town to LA via this business you've started. The first thing I thought when I saw your town was called "Urbana", was that's a funny name, so I went and googled it. So you could start with that and why its called that. then say its a nice place to live but limited prospects, then talk about moving to LA in a few years, why LA, and your business. then some fun things you do when your not working, avoid listing personality characteristics. minimise everything else, leave your "standards" but don't explain them.

Author:  fox_theone [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:14 am ]
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Hey man your profile is kinda bland. But that's why you're here right? :D
Let's see how we can help.

Your self summary doesn't catch or draw attention. It's just you saying stuff about you. Instead of listing your interests describe them. Add a little life to them. Let see, you said movies right? So say something like: "I love thrillers! Man when you're sitting there with the lights low and watching a drama. And you can feel your heart pounding when the star is about to open the door to find the killer. You're so immersed in it that you just want to shout out and tell them not to open the god dam door!"
Pretty much something that someone reading your profile can connect to.

Never say there's nothing else to do. You need to be the fun one. The center of attention. And well even if you're not, as Style and Mystery said "Fake it til you make it."
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I'd like to get out of here and end up in Los Angeles but who knows where i'll end up or what i'll end up doing.
Women look for goal oriented people. Say things like I intend to get out to Los Angeles etc and give a reason. Show that you are in charge of your life. And at the same time take charge of your life. Going with the flow is ok but be a leader, be an alpha male.

Try to put more positive things in your profile. This stuff about people not changing and stuff is a bummer. You can always talk about this stuff when you meet someone.
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as long as I'm not screwed over =)
Makes it sound like you've been screwed over. Leaders don't get screwed over.
Inject some energy into statements you make. If you say you're adventurous that's ok. If you give a short little story that doesn't seem as though it's out of place it's millions of times better. Leave out funny too.

Use the what are you doing with your life category to DHV. Make what you're doing sound freaking amazing even if it's not. You can make an internet marketing business sound like you're a brilliant guy whose pushing to make it on his own. Because you want to and it's a passion or maybe something that you just knew you had to do!

I'm really good at: Yeah it's ok to say that you don't like to brag but put something. Say something like: "Ever since I was a kid I wanted to learn to play the guitar. A couple years ago I followed my dream. I walked into that music store and just started picking up guitars. Man when I picked up Jessica (yes I named my guitar :D) I knew we were a match made in heaven :D. Now I love rocking out my favourite tunes!! :D" Just be more energetic and fun with what you're saying.
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I usually get comments about being a funny guy before anything else.
Rephrase it.
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Books: Boring.
Most girls actually love to read. Classic stuff. Look up some cool books and read them. They give you something to talk about and you'll find tons of girls who actually read the same or are interested in what you read. Trust me you don't wanna end up with stupid girls. It's annoying.

Choose the movies you love the most and put them there. You can even put your favourite and why you loved it. And if you like any movies that you know chicks liked as well it's always good to mention it. Same with tv shows. Don't list em. Let the AFCs list. You put life into whatever you do. Eventually it'll show in your life as well. Music too. People love music. You can really grab attention with the life you put in the songs. Write your favourite song and give it a little pep with why you love it. Keep it positive!

In the six things you could never do without. Really make it six things that you really have a passion for. If you don't have six things you can keep the joke and put 4. Or fake it til you make it man! Put life into every single one! "Social Activity?" Your description is nice guy. Make it lively. Make it Going out or something. Let the readers know that you love going out and hanging out, meeting people etc and why? Always have an answer to that question at hand. Maybe put a short story again. Or a one liner that will spark interest about something amazing that happened when you went out. Cut the crazy thing and the one person thing.
You've got tons of shit you could write for Road Trip. Come on man. Unlock that inner happy energetic guy. I have energy problems as well. Work on it you'll get it!
The money one is pretty depressing to me.

I spend time thinking about: This is a gold mine. Actually put something. And really put feeling in it. Touch the 3 major senses Sight Sound and well Kinesthetic (which pretty much sums up the others). Something really awesome you thought about. A passion or dream or something. Details man details bring yourself to life on that profile.
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Well if I am not hanging out with friends or what not, I could either be found at a movie theater or online in my house. I know, I don't live what you would call a CRAZY exciting life but don't get me wrong, I'm very adventurous and spontaneous.. I am beyond spontaneous, so if that's not something you can handle, I really wouldn't even give it a shot if I were you =)
The whole thing is full of negativity and indecision. You don't have to be blatantly honest when they ask these things. You can rephrase and make it sound awesome. "Fridays I'm out hanging out with friends or catching the latest movie craze :D. Pretty much doing whatever you can think of....or can't :P. I love just getting off my butt and going wherever the wind blows :D. Yeah I like to take it easy too and just chill out at home sometimes. Sometimes I go surfing...on the internet :P cuz I'm awesome like that :P. I would like to learn to surf though! Sounds like tons of fun!" That's off the top of my head bro. Along those lines write your stuff.

The most private thing I'm willing to admit...That kinky stuff won't cut it man. People don't need to or want to hear about your fetishes. When you actually meet them and start building a sexual relationship you can talk about this shit. Not on your profile. It's ok to portray yourself as a sex symbol but keep it regular. Like you could say in your description of yourself: "Sexy young stud looking to make boyfriends jealous :P". Anyway in this I'd put something sweet in a joking way. Like I cried while watching "________" and you joke about it so that she knows you're secure with yourself to admit that but you're still a man and a leader.

LOL at "Girls who like guys" Take off the "who like guys". I think they can figure it out. And it wouldn't hurt to meet a few sexy lesbians :D

You should message me if sucks. Yeah there's gonna be some strange people. The trick is not to respond to them. Sift them out when they message you. This just tells normal chicks that you think up some crazy shit lol especially at inbred.

And finally the thing on the side: His details

Instead of skinny put something like slim.
Take off "it doesn't matter" from your sign. Women actually believe a lot of that. You can always argue about it when you meet her but there's nothing wrong with having some thought that there's some "connection" or something. Even if it might be crap :D
Take off doesn't want children. Put something like you're thinking about it or leave it blank. At some point you may actually want kids. And you're not really gonna find many girls who don't want to get married and have kids at some point in her life.

This is gonna take practice and trial and error. I took some time off to help you cuz I know how it is bro. Take my advice if you want to. In the end it's up to you. You can try something new and see if you improve or change your life. Or you can do the same thing you've been doing and the same will continue to happen.

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