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Author:  neogamer [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Online experiment: Using a model's pic
I'm running an online experiment on a popular internet dating site. I wrote a short, generic profile. Described myself as 6' 3" and athletic, and used a head shot of a male model pulled off the internet.

After less than a week, I've gotten over a dozen unsolicited emails from some decent looking women, some more than once. I was also added as a favorite by one woman who blew me off in real life after the first date!

The only time I reply to the emails is when the same woman sends me multiple emails, then I think its nice to say hi back, what's up, etc. I will not use the fake profile to do anything other than see how really hot guys are treated, initially, by women.

Initial impression: hot guys have it good! Some decent looking women are throwing themselves at my fake profile. I'll provide some examples of their "openers" later.

By the way, I was IM'd a couple of times for "instant dates" by some HB7s who wanted to meet me right then ("although they don't normally do this"). Never happened in real life.
Author:  Red1975 [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:05 pm ]
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Oh Neo, noooooo! Using fake pics on a profile is so bad it's not even funny! Fine if you're playing around and NOT replying to them just to see...but once you start a dialogue, send a real picture of yourself, come clean!

I had a guy contact me first, who used fake pics...claimed he was a Rugby player and played for a club not far from me and we chatted on Myspace and msn for weeks. He sounded really sweet, nice guy and I did find him attractive, more so the 'closer' we became. He kept telling me he really liked me as more than a friend and wanted to meet me, but never got around to sorting out an arrangement.
I then started noticing loads of comments being left on his page and pictures that were from other girls saying 'thanks for the chat last night, you really warmed me up ;o)' and various other obvious, unsubtle things like that about how sexy he is etc. All fine, people all flirt.
But he kept claiming that he wasn't interested in them like he was with me (I'm not that stupid to believe that he wasn't telling us all same things and found out because of a long story I bore you with, that he was playing a few girls at same time).

To cut a hugely long and complicated story short, I came across a profile there of a guy who had the same pictures and after a few confused emails to him...discovered that 'my' guy had nicked this other guys pictures and profile and embellished on it! Pathetic!

I also know a man (a friend of the PUA I know) who has been chatting to a girl on msn for months, used fake pics of a hottie because he is not a 'looker' by any means, and she has fallen for him and wants to meet...he is planning on turning up and seeing her for real. Now, I am not a cruel person at all...but she is going to be disappointed big time, he is possibly total opposite of the pics he's shown her.

And you could say that the girls are being shallow...but flip reverse this whole thing...if a girl started emailing you online and you really liked the look of her, the more you chatted, you imagined her in your head as per the pictures...you grow pretty keen and excited about her and what could come of it. Then you discover that she is nothing like the pics you thought about in your head, not just different, but far less appealing then you ever dreamed of...she looks like someone you would never usually be physically attracted to...would you be OK with it and still want to date her...what if she was huge, ugly etc etc?

I know you're just trying it out to test the water, but really, fake pics aren't going to help you gain your confidence at all...you need to be confident in who you are as you. And really...is it any wonder that a male model's pictures are getting loads of responses really!? You think girl's with foxy/pretty pics don't get same thing? Try what you had and multiply it by a hundred! :wink:

Shallow world indeed... but it soon changes if someone doesn't have anything interesting to say for themselves don't you think?
x
Author:  neogamer [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:38 pm ]
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Its not just a fake pic its a generic fake profile not for my personal use to date and not to even strike up a chat. I'm conducting an experiment to determine how women respond to a tall, great looking guy. I'm not answering their emails, asking them for phone numbers, nothing of the sort. If they want to chat with me I do so long enough to see what they'll say.

I do all my dating online with 100% true pics and material.
Author:  Red1975 [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:05 pm ]
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That's cool. I didn't mean to sound like some Teacher telling you off, but I just think honesty really does win in the end.

But again, as I say, some girls will reply because you look gorgeous in this fake profile, but that doesn't really tell you anything about women...some like handsome men, some like rich men, some like funny men, some like clever men etc etc (most, if not all, like honest men!)...we're not all exactly the same (despite what some guys may think) lol.

I personally don't trust any pics on Myspace etc that look too posed/perfect and modelesque...I know they're going to be fakers! lol

Think I'm right by the sound of it lmao

:lol:
Author:  neogamer [ Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:45 am ]
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Here are some early results of the model pic (Model Man) two line generic profile experiment put up on a popular internet dating site:

As of day 6 Model Man has been contacted by 15 women. One attractive blond has written 6 times, unprompted.

Examples of their openings include:

"Usually, I take my time and get to know people over email first before meeting in person. However, you seem pretty spontaneous and I can be too for the right person and reasons! My friends and I are going to be at _____ in the _____ downtown tonight around 7ish. If you haven't been there yet, _____ is a cool place with some great martini's. Drop me a line and let me know if you'd like to meet in a no pressure, but fun SPAM. If not, no hard feelings."

"nice photo welcome to the area."

"How a bad girl disguised in the corporate world. 6'1, 152lbs, very well built, intelligent, independent, confident, strong, woman. I have high expectations, ideals, beliefs, values, and morals that I refuse to compromise or back down from. If you want to know more you know what to do."

"If you ever need a friend in _____, ya got one."

"hey sweetie~
hope your day is going well" This HB 7-8 has written 6 times with no prompting.

"I am still learning my way around _____, too. Maybe we could learn together?"

"hi!! how are you? i just wanted to drop you a hello . maybe we can talk sometime"

"You are SO FINE!!!!"

So, the female approach tends to be low key but direct. And notice they don't waste words. It's like, "Hi, I'm interested, let me know."

Model Man has been asked out by more and better looking women than I have ever dated, so far. It seems it's good to be Model Man.
Author:  deadman [ Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:12 pm ]
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cool experiment.

just goes to show that looks do count!! It's a bit discouraging for those of us who are pretty ordinary looking. though plain looks can be partly overcome with good writing (communication) skills, its still bit of an uphill battle.

DM
Author:  Mercan [ Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:07 pm ]
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Well for the whole looks debate, I think they do matter for a first impression but not the long run. I deal a lot on match and it's a "looker" site. I'm by no means sore on the eyes (by others accounts) and yes it does help, especially to have the women make the initial contact. But, that only gives you a small head start. Once you hook them into a conversation of sorts, that is the true test. Ignore some, not all, of their questions and work from multiple coversation threads. For gods sake, be funny! I'm talked to MANY women online and their number one complaint is that guys lie about their height. Women hate nothing more than showing up for a date with our without heels and being taller than guys (might be ok if they know before hand and anticipate). I'm 6'4" and I constantly hear "You look exactly like your pics". Long story short, just be honest because if you meet you will eventually get caught and what's the point of sinking time and energy into a lie?

Aside from my soapbox, I think the experiment is pretty interesting. Remember, looks for both males and females aways fades. For females I think it goes a bit quicker initially. For guys.... well.... how many stories have you heard of guys cheating on their superhot GF/wife for another? While any AFC would kill himself to just stand next to her. All beauty fades, so be a challenge!
Author:  neogamer [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:59 am ]
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Model man has gone cold. After an initial flurry of interest, he rarely gets an email. Some women correctly believe the photo does not belong to someone on the site, or, are suspicious. Some bought it.

The lesson seems to be that no matter how attractive you are, to meet great looking women you have to go out into the field.

My working theory is that its only 0.1% of women who put themselves online, and then, its the crazy 0.1%. I've been trolling various online sites for the better part of a year as my separation/divorce unfolded, and I have met very few stable, attractive women.
Author:  ming [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:05 am ]
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i dont exactly know what the benefit of this experiment is??? what are you trying to achieve??

one way that may be beneficial is if you have your own profile on the dating site and see how many hits you get???? use your knowledge of the game.....


then, i guess its looks Vs genuine gaming talent.....
Author:  neogamer [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:42 pm ]
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That's exactly the experiment. My own profile is up too, separately, along with the Model Man's pic and generic profile. He's winning hands down in terms of unsolicited emails from attractive women and number of attractive women putting him on their favorites list. I've tried communicating with these same women without success. Women are so superficial! LOL
Author:  iam fuzz [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:32 pm ]
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Add yourself as a friend of his and maybe you can get some play that way... lol

-fuzz
Author:  neogamer [ Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:11 pm ]
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Update: Model Man gets more unsolicited email from hotter chicks, but I am building better connections with higher quality women. Mystery may be right, women respond to attraction switches, and, only one of many possible switches is looks.
Author:  deadman [ Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:37 am ]
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i still think this has been a worthwhile experiment. My initial reaction is 'FUCK........chics are soo shallow', but then as guys we are no better

My wingman is considered quite hansum by chics and sarges on the same site i do. He gets unsolicited msg's all da time, recently he added his messenger to his profile, this further increased his options.

Admitedly its somewhat discouraging for those of us not gifted with exceptional looks.........but wot can be done. Perhaps one positive thing is that it forces us to develop a stronger inner game, as well making us utilise our writing skills, originality and language more effectively.

no doubt mystery is right in saying chics respond to different attraction switches, of which looks is but one.....however it usually is the first one they will respond to

cheers
D
M
Author:  Vibe [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:51 am ]
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I am model....
Author:  neogamer [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:33 am ]
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I didn't initiate contact using model man, so he's gone cold. After some initial interest by some of the better looking babes on the site, not much action.

Me, on the other hand, not bad looking but no model, had to hide my profile for a while because I didn't have the time or energy to call the women I was collecting in my number collection. Now many of them were not HBs, but, they were warm blooded, otherwise desirable women with a sex drive.

I DID use model man to send FLAME emails to 3 women who blew me off in real life. Nothing nasty, I just mocked their profiles. One thought she looked MUCH younger than her age (not), one's profile was just rubbish, and I forget who the third was. It was so many dates ago...lol.
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