Hey there,
I've been trying Tinder recently, to see what it's all about and arrange some hookups/dates if the potential was there. I'm totally new to PUA, so it's also been a great place to discover and practice basic principles and develop some sort of inner game.
Would anyone be willing to critique this interaction for me please? I think that whilst it is flawed in so, so many ways, there are some sparse elements that worked well. I'm frustrated that I didn't number close that night however, as I thought at the time that I was on point, for a barebones rookie learning the ropes. I'm wondering whether I failed to escalate adequately. I was kind of just experimenting with the role which is why some of it may seem horrific - it's a little all over the place.
She was 20, 1 year older than myself, and her pictures lead me to believe an HB7/8. NB. I recognise I fucked up on the height area notably, although the run itself was far from tight. Should have just owned the set rather than flaking. Her responses ranged from instant to 4 minutes. I matched that. We talked for 3 hours (9pm-12:30am). Any and all opinions are welcome.
Me: (Wednesday) Hey _____!
Me: (Friday) So is the swipe and ignore part of your gamer, or is Tinder just for the ego boost?
Her: Bit of both Hun.
Me: Huh, and there was I thinking you were just pretty rude.
Guess I was half right.
Tell me something about you that will fascinate me
Her: I'm very ordinary
And rude
Me: Ordinary can be fascinating
But as for the rude...
Her: Rude is hilar
Sometimes
Me: I'm glad you amuse yourself!
Sometimes
How are you tonight?
Her: Gotta rely on number 1. Good tah, you?
Me: Don't rely too much ;P
Couldn't be better. Great day, great experiences, and now your conversation to top it off
Her: Flattery will get you no where
Me: I disagree. But ease up, I didn't say it was great conversation
Her: Ohh, sassy
Me: It's okay, you're attractive - not my type anyway. (*I could have segued into this more smoothly.*)
Her: How unfortunate.
Me: So what do you do with your life when you're not negging blokes on Tinder?
Her: What's negging?
Me: Being ordinarily rude
Something you're good at, so you tell me
Her: You younguns and your words. I neg people over the phone. You?
Me: I lift weights, read books and try to sound vaguely refined
An uphill struggle on all fronts, I assure you
Must say that if you're anywhere near as good at begging over the phone as you are on Tinder, you must be due a raise.
Her: No job? How tall are you? You're right, I need a raise. [/color] (*This threw me. I took the height request as an IOI, but the stupid anxiety was that I would be instantly discounted.*)
Me: If professional backpacker counts, certainly. Otherwise, no, just a student with a long history and big dreams.
Haha and are you asking me for my digits now? (*cringe*)
Her: Backpacker? Where are you now then? Your height plz
Me: I just got back from hitchhiking in Europe. Visiting family in _____ and old friends in [her town] before I head off again. (*I was just about to respond to the height request when she instantly messaged me the following. Need to learn to stack order of importance more effectively.*)
Her: Are you like 2ft tall?
Me: You've got me
In fact I'm Peter Dinklage
You may have seen me on GoT
Her: He's my fav
Me: So glad you're a fan of my work
And I tell you what
If you give me your digits, I'll give you mine, seeing as you seem so desperate for them
Her: Height.
Me: 5ft11 (*I'm not sure if jumping through her hoop here was a fault. Frankly I felt like my approach had been too wordy and wanted to just come straight out with it.*)
Her: You're lying..
Me: And you're rude
But no, I'm 5ft 10. The inch is my ego boost.
Her: Keep going.
Me: Haha, how do I send photos?
Her: I have no idea [my name]
Me: Shame, could have sent you the receipt from my gym measurements.
Would have called me out wonderfully for the 5ft9 liar I am
Her: Yeah, me too.
Me: So why the intense curiosity?
Her: Is that it or do you have a few more to go?..
Me: Is this with or without the stilts?
Haha and no, that's it
Not that it matters much
(*Tried to regain control, ended up just looking low value - of course it matters, to her - my angle came off as desperate and clumsy.*)Her: Lying's a sin..
Me: How fortunate that I'm already beyond saving..
Her: Calm it, Satan.
Me: Aren't we a funny one!
Her: I like to think so
Me: Well it's great that you focus on areas of development
I have an area that needs developing. It's a contact detail, with a name but no number next to it. (*This was a weird play from me. I normally just get the number instantly by saying something like "can you text me, easier than Tinder" - usually 100% compliance. However in this case I had already committed to requesting her number, and I got the impression for some reason that she wanted to play more of a game with me.*)
Her: Oh shit..
Got yourself in a right predicament there..
Me: I mean, I could always just change the name
You know, yo someone not quite so ordinary and definitely less rude
But in this case I'm mildly curious
Her: Maybe changing the name would be easier... MAYBE it'll be more fun.
Me: Yeah, I think you may be right
But I'm not so sure I like easy. And a big MAYBE is always so fascinating.
How about, hypothetically, you give me your number
And MAYBE I call you some time
Her: Oh how charming!
Me: Well, as you've been offering most of the rude tonight, I thought I'd meet you in the middle
Her: I own rude better than you
Me: And I own charm better than you
What say we thrash it out some time?
Her: Meaning..
Me: Meaning a coffee, or perhaps something more refreshing
Her: Like a lemonade?
Me: I was thinking more along the lines of a Moretti, but perhaps overlooking a beach. But a lemonade would totally do.
Her: Yeah, Moretti?
Me: A lager I discovered in Venice. My favourite, although I daresay your conversation would eclipse the drink
Her: Was that a compliment?
Me: I think we'll find out
Goodnight you xx (*I was hoping this would end resistance. I overcomped, and ended the entire conversation - oops! Nonetheless, I do think it showed assertiveness and outcome-detachment which may have increased my perceived value*)Her: Night fagit x
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Was hoping I could get some feedback on tone, specific areas for improvement, including any radical shifts I should be trying. Comments on my own analyses would be awesome. Also, what do you folks think I should do on this target next?
I do think perhaps I also failed to set my goal. Was just typing out to you folks that my goal was anything from F-close to prolonged dates, and then realised how broad a spectrum that was to work towards, and how relatively directionless that made me.
Thanks for the time,
Best.
