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| Author: | Durus [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:04 pm ] |
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Good day to everyone. I am quite new to the whole PUA concept. I randomly came across "the game" while shopping on amazon, and decided to pick it up. I have since read that and Magic Bullets and I am just starting to get into reading the forums and trying to apply the new techniques I have learned in real life. I work most weekends and rarely get to go out so I started running some canned routines on myspace to see what kind of reactions I can get. Here's my very first attempt... I'd like to know what you all think and what I should do better... (reads from bottom up) __________________________________________________ I see. Whoa, whoa... you just want to find out where I work so you can sit at the end of the bar and be all creepy. I know how you myspace stalkers operate. ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 8:10 PM ya they are up there uo there so ppl can vote b/c it goes by text messages. where do you work ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 4:55 PM ohhhhhhhh... you're a bartender. That explains it. So it's one of those "who's the hottest bartender in town" kind of things? That's cool. Good luck. (I think that when it's all over you should put up pictures that convey who you really are though). I'm actually currently working as a barback on the side. It's an interesting lifestyle. Fun for now, but I don't think I'll be doing it too much longer. ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 7:47 PM a contest between bartenders ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 4:43 PM What is this "miss barcast"? ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 7:40 PM o ya i am in a contest for miss barcast ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 4:38 PM oh... you know... the typical "look at me I'm in a bikini" type girls that frequent myspace (like anyone of substance really cares). Most of your real pictures seem to convey your personality and based on those, you don't strike me as that kind of girl... which is why I figured there was some kind of a story behind them. ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 7:31 PM what do you mean one of those girls ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 4:30 PM hmmmm... you think? The reason I ask is because this is a situation that my friend Jason is in. He has been dating this girl for about 6 months and he really likes her, and then she tells him that she makes out with girls all the time. He's not really sure how he feels about it. On one hand, he thinks its hot, but on the other, he fears that he can't satisfy her and that they will never get more serious. In my opinion, I think she should have been more upfront with him from the beginning. I'm big on honesty. If you establish the relationship as casual then its fine, but don't try to hide it. P. S. what's with all the "modeling" pictures? You're not one of THOSE girls, are you? ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 6:58 PM ummm no not unless she was gonna dump you for the girl i guess ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 3:48 PM Okay, let me ask you this...... Take the same scenario, but this time the girl is making out with another girl, and lets say she does this almost every time she goes out..... would you consider that cheating? ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 12, 2008 6:45 PM ummm yes definitely ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 12, 2008 3:21 PM Oh, no reason... I was just curious. Don't worry it looks nice.... Listen, while I have your attention, I need an unbiased female perspective on something... Say, this guy is dating this girl, and she goes out with her friends, has a few drinks and ends of making out with a random guy at the bar..... Would you consider this cheating? ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: JILLIAN Date: Feb 11, 2008 7:52 PM my real hair why ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Stephen Date: Feb 11, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: are you wearing a wig? or is that your real hair? |
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| Author: | JSmooth [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:48 pm ] |
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Nice job, you got her attention! You lowered her value a bit with the negs and are about where you need to be, going towards the end phases of attraction. Good job, just keep it up. Now just bait-hook-release with her comments and build that attraction. 
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| Author: | xxIcexx [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:46 am ] |
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Nice job for a "noob", def doesnt seem like it. I am interested to know how the rest goes for you, update us when you get a chance and we can give more feedback. Only thing I dont like is the routine, other than that you did great. Reason I say that is because I am not big on the canned stuff, I know it works but I think it's fake. And I know the opener doesnt really matter, but it is just preference. |
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| Author: | Sixx (aka sixstringplaya) [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:53 am ] |
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my one and only point of advice to you.... dont sarge online, do it in person. sarging online is for people who are afraid to do it in real life. |
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| Author: | Durus [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:59 am ] |
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it actually kind of fizzled after that. She was replying in a timely manner up to that point and then stopped replying. I waited two days and then figured I'd give it one last ditch effort before closing the case... I wrote... See? I knew it... I called you out on your stalkerish ways so you fell silent in hopes that I wouldn't expose you to the world. I have you all figured out  Myspace says she hasn't read it yet. |
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| Author: | .EnVy. [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:17 pm ] |
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You're investing too much into the conversation. ALL of her responses are one lines. You seem to be writing paragraphs. That's not a bad thing, but I just suggest that you show a bit more disinterest. Sarging online is NOTHING like sarging in person. There's no kino, attraction is hard to build (in some cases, only), comfort building isn't the same, you can't bounce (moving a girl from one location to another--an instant date). move the set (isolating the girl from her group to take her to another place inside the same venue where you met). timebridge (getting some way of contacting the girl, so you can meet up some time). If you try to meet her, the first time you talk, it will be VERY awkward, because it's your first time actually talking in person. I suggest droping online game, and going out to a popular venue to pickup real HBs. Plus, if she's in a pageant, chances are she's really pretty. She likely gets hit on ALL THE TIME on myspace. Why do you wanna be the creepy loser guy that's like all the others? But, for your "n00b" attempt, you did EXCELLENT. In my n00b days I would have never been able to pull that off. Well done  .Just take a few of my suggestions, and you'll be good to go. Take it easy. |
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| Author: | Durus [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:49 pm ] |
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Sarging online is NOTHING like sarging in person. There's no kino, attraction
It seemed to me that not being able to do these things was why online is a good way to practice verbal skills. Without other tools at your disposal you are forced to improve your rhetorical prowess... kind of like when you go to the gym and do bicep curls instead of full body exercises to isolate and improve that one particular part of your body. It made sense to me, but I could be totally off base. Like I said, I'm just learning.
is hard to build (in some cases, only), comfort building isn't the same, you can't bounce (moving a girl from one location to another--an instant date). move the set (isolating the girl from her group to take her to another place inside the same venue where you met). timebridge (getting some way of contacting the girl, so you can meet up some time). |
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| Author: | xxIcexx [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:34 pm ] |
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Quote: my one and only point of advice to you....
I have some advice for you, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Excuse the language.
dont sarge online, do it in person. sarging online is for people who are afraid to do it in real life. |
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| Author: | tweeby [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:51 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: my one and only point of advice to you....
I have some advice for you, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Excuse the language.dont sarge online, do it in person. sarging online is for people who are afraid to do it in real life. You also have more time to think about a reply (in general), real life just ain't like this. |
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| Author: | Ka [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:20 pm ] |
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All factors considered id say it went textbook...very good job for being new. However there are some things to note; -internet game is different then in person or even phone game -the whole point of starting on internet is to escalate to phone then in person -Often times you will have long delays, sometimes even haveing your target lose intrest simply because real life is more pressing (yet we blame ourselves) Typically i do not like to "open" random people on myspace/facebook simply because its a display of intrest. Instead i network through friends and make comment on mutal aquantences of the target and i...DHV'in and comming accross as intresting...sometimes the target i want opens me...sometimes others open me that i didnt consider. If you dont mind opening online then do it..its better then nothing. All in all id say you did a good job, take that mentality and take it outside. |
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| Author: | sL!CK [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:24 pm ] |
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Why not, right. It beats not sarging at all but you can't compare it to the real thing. To sum up what other guys said. To evaluate the conversation: - I like your transition. Just putting P.S. What's with the modeling pictures, changed the topic and it was a neg. - You tried C&F in the end, but I don't think it went over as a joke. Some guys mentioned already that body language is crucial for that. All in all, keep it up. I know some guys who talk to girls on myspace a lot and get bunch of dates, but they first meet the girls in bar and get each others myspace instead of numbers. It's not a bad idea to start online game frist, it gives you time to come up with a reasponse. "noob" training field if you will. |
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