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| Author: | Muzz [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | 5am Online dating brainstorming |
I am no means a pro at PUA in any form. I am still pretty new to all of this, I just figured I'd share what I learned so far. I've been doing a lot of online game recently. My business is extra slow, almost dead, and I can't afford to do much night game. I could do day game but I'm running too many errands trying to break even. I turned to online game basically because it's free and I can do it no matter where I am from my phone. I know some people hate it but I've had fairly decent success. I've slept with around 4-5 girls from OKC or POF. One turned into a decent relationship. Basically, I'm an average guy physically. I'm by no means a master at this but I've learned a few tricks that have really helped me out. I learned a lot of this from RSD and David D so most credit to them. I use OKC mostly because it seems like every chick on POF has a kid in my area. Here is my profile http://www.okcupid.com/profile/ZombieSk ... cf=regular Profile: I've tried a lot of different types of profiles. I've narrowed this down to 4 different types. The Normal 3+ paragraphs of what I like, Complete asshole profile, Completely ridiculous profile, and what I use now which is a Qualifying profile. Normal 3+ paragraph consists of what you like, don't like to do. You like this band and this movie. Every Tuesday at 6 you go here. You also MAKE SURE you mention in detail that you go to the gym. BORING. Every other guy does this. You need to stand out more or they wont even read it. Just trust me and don't do this. Deciding between the rest is a judgment call on your part. Try and see what you think can fit your personality. The main thing you want in your profile is congruence. In your pictures, profile, messages, you want to be the same person. Just make sure whatever you choose, you smoothly slip in some DHV spikes. Complete asshole profile is where you picture the biggest dick things to say, and say it. It takes a lot of balls to pull this off. I read a profile from on here where they said something along the lines of Quote: Looking for a guy who is charming, polite, and a gentlemen? Well keep looking! I'm the kind of guy who does what he wants, when he wants.
This is a pretty effective profile because of the shock value. Women will read this and see you're different because you have enough balls to be such a jerk. DHV can include things where you're the boss. You make the rules. You can probably pull off telling them about your abundance and if they don't like you they're replaceable. This doesn't really fit who I am but I've seen other people on this site say they pull that off. Ridiculous profile. This is where everything in your profile is a joke. I saw an example on here where it was 20 random facts why that guys awesome. It involved cursing in front of nuns and liking everything HOT, hot dogs, hot peppers, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, hot whatever. Will I respect you in the morning? Pfft I don't respect you now. Ridiculous things like that. I tried a profile like this because it fit me. I'm a lot of energy and I do really random things. I got a lot of messages complimenting the profile but it didn't really lead to much for me. Maybe you can handle that better than I can. You can DHV anything with this because you can get away with saying anything with this. Qualifying profile. This is what I use now. I assume attraction and basically just say what I like, and what I don't like. Look at my link to see the example. This works because it separates you from the guys who don't qualify. You are instantly deeper than everyone else because it isn't all about looks to you. No matter what you do, I'd recommend throwing some qualification in your profile. I actually have females message me sometimes hitting on me. Basically, figure out who you are and go with it. Most important thing is to be different and be congruent. Don't let your profile be too long or it will seem like you are trying too hard. |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Opening: I used to think that the opener was SOOO important. I'd sit there for a day or two trying to be creative and really stand out. Now, I realized they don't matter much. My normal opener now is something to tease her. For a while I said "I could totally kick your ass in thumb wrestling..." but I found that worked much more effectively mid convo. Recently I've just said some random thing about something off her profile. I try to throw a bit of teasing in with it. For example, one girl said Quote: If you can quote anything from Talladega Nights, we're automatically best friends. My message was Quote: I can quote the entire Talladega Nights movie but I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm ok being best friends yet. You seem fun but I'd have to learn more about you. What was your favorite part?
That's not a great opener. It didn't require thought. It was just a simple comment about something she said. Opening is as easy as that. Just talk like a human being has been my best method of opening.Another female had a picture of herself with zombie makeup on. I actually am pretty good at that myself so I said Quote: I could totally do better Halloween makeup than you.
It's common interests with competition.... I really like this conversation so I'll be referencing her later. I am currently testing out opening with a qualifier. It hasn't been very effective just yet. Another good opener is if the girl says she likes the movie Taken. It is a pretty popular movie to list so you can use this a good amount. Quote: I had an idea to make a movie where an ex CIA agent's daughter gets kidnapped to Paris, but that idea was taken. I had one after it where the same agent's wife get kidnapped to Istanbul, but that idea was taken too
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| Author: | Muzz [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Number Closing. Some people like to get numbers as fast as they can, personally I like to make them work for it. Using a point system is GOLDEN. On your very first qualification, establish the point system immediately. This makes chatting a fun game for them. If they say something you like, give them a point and tell them that if they can reach 10 points they get a surprise. Be honest with your points. If they say something you don't like take away a point. Really make them earn it! I made a girl get to 9 points and then everything she said after that just wasn't good enough for that last point. She literally wrote paragraphs of things she liked and why she was interesting working for that last point. Finally I said she won and gave her my number. At that point she is so committed she will no doubt text or call you. Once they text me I tell them I'm calling them in X minutes just to make sure they're not a guy trying to hit on me. Talking on the phone makes them more committed as well since it is more personal. Once you get talking, just keep your cool and you're locked in and ready to plan a hang out. |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
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| Author: | Profile Diva [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Muzz, you've come to the right conclusion. Just KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. Women do read those ridiculous jerk profiles, but I dare say they don't respond with any regularity, and it wouldn't be out of attraction. More like morbid curiosity. I would say, however that from a woman's POV, it's better just to keep it all in the positive. Listing things you don't like in movies, women, life etc just makes you sound critical and bitter. That is never attractive and makes it sound like you're more worried about repelling the wrong girl than attracting the right girl. Check out my 5 free tips on ways you can improve your profile right now at www.profilediva.net Best of luck, |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
It's not letting me Edit my previous posts (mod help?). I'll just start from here. You sent your opener, she responds with whatever. Just ignore that change the topic. The typical conversation goes. You: I see you like this Her: Yeah I like that You: What do you like Her: I like x y z You: I like z too, random question Her: no answer. You want to break this mold. When she answers you she is expecting you to give a certain answer. This is why you change the topic completely. It's the same thing when you're talking to someone in person, they say something and you act disinterested and just change the topic on them. GKS posted on here a line I really like to use as a 2nd message almost always. Quote: You're a fun one. Be honest, what are you looking for on here. Don't give me that Prince Charming BS either. It's a small qualification that most will answer. Gets you directly to the point. Going back to the conversation about the zombie girl. Here's how it went. Quote: I can totally do better halloween makeup than you
The convo went on but it was quite lengthy so I just gave a quick view. I didn't implement the point system in till later. I bolded the one line in there for a reason. I like that line because women know 98% of the men on there are crazy, but they have no idea what the women are like. Using that gives them a sense that I'm not going to talk to just anyone on there. Plus it gives a preselection DHV. The next line I use my favorite qualifier. I learned the 1-random number part from a RSD lecture. I added the other part in because it adds some personality into the question. Makes it more interesting. She'll answer your question and no matter what she says, I say I'm looking for something more in the x range. I always make it 1 higher than she told me. Unless she says something like 2 in which case I just find her boring and stop talking to her. Sent to HB8 Apr 8, 2013 – 11:24am well aren't you special? Sent from the OkCupid app Report this Apr 9, 2013 – 9:54am You're a fun one. What're you looking for on here? Don't give me that prince charming BS either. Sent from the OkCupid app Apr 10, 2013 – 12:24am friends!Sent from the OkCupid app Report this Apr 10, 2013 – 1:51am Ok cool, I've been semi proposed to on here numerous times. I was starting to think all females on here are crazy. On a scale from 1-237, how adventurous/spontaneous are you? 1 being Ben Stein's voice, 237 being stealing a Ferrari robbing a bank and driving full throttle to Vegas Sent from the OkCupid app Apr 10, 2013 – 1:56am like 169.Sent from the OkCupid app Report this Apr 10, 2013 – 2:10am Eh, that's a little low for me. I prefer more in the 170 range. What's with the weird beard obsession? Sent from the OkCupid app Apr 10, 2013 – 3:34am you're an ass. and beards are perfect. Just keep qualifying and as long as she has some type of reward (the point system) she'll keep trying to qualify herself. Some people like to send minimal messages and try to get try to get the number ASAP, I like to wait a little bit and make her earn my number. I believe in quality over quantity. |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Some random thoughts and tips... From another RSD lecture (I believe) I learned about rewarding women with attention. That women love attention and always seek it. When they do something you like, lean in more and show some attention, when they do something you don't like, take a step back. I use this technique in my online game. On OKC it shows when someone looks at your profile. When a girl says something I like, I let her see I'm looking at her profile. If she says something I don't like, I don't respond for a day. No matter what, I always wait a day or 2 to respond after the first message. Responding immediately shows neediness. After that though I talk like a normal person. When using OKC, I try to always respond from the app. It shows in the email 'this message was sent from the OKC app' and I like to give the idea that I'm always out doing something. Even if I'm just at home on my laptop anyway. When you're browsing profiles, try not to look at the same girl too many times. They take note to this. This girl I'm seeing from there now told me how its so weird how guys will look at her page 5 times and then message her on the 6th. Don't be creepy. Message after the 2nd time you look at her page or don't look at it at all. I really see online as good practice. I don't have to worry about body language or tonality. I can just practice conversing. If I don't know what to say? I take a little to figure out what would be the best thing to say without having to respond immediately. I don't worry about being too sexual really. I save that for the phone call/meet up. I just make it known I'm just having some fun and don't want to be too serious and leave it at that. I only message a girl if she is online. Its no new idea that girls get literally hundreds of messages. Messaging them when they won't be online till the next day will put you at the bottom of the list. On OKC they get an immediate notification they have a message online. I like to be seen, not blend in. These are all the thoughts I can think of right now. I consider this a work in progress where I can add to or change any ideas I have. Questions or recommendations are appreciated. |
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| Author: | Jambi [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
On a scale from 1-237, how adventurous/spontaneous are you? 1 being Ben Stein's voice, 237 being stealing a Ferrari robbing a bank and driving full throttle to Vegas Sent from the OkCupid app Apr 10, 2013 – 1:56am like 169. she said 69! was a perfect opportunity to go pick up a slight sexual vibe! |
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| Author: | Profile Diva [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
From a woman's POV - I totally agree with the advice of not looking at a girl's profile too many times without messaging them. It is absolutely creepy and makes us think you go on every night and look at our pics as you jack off. Sorry to be crude, but we're not as silly as you think. If you're hemming and hawing about contacting us, you're either A) waiting to hear back from a girl you like better, or B) not confident enough to hold our interest anyway. Fortune favors the brave!! And by the way, I know this is a PUA forum but really, guys, you can overdo the strategy angle. This is not sending a man to the moon. Trying to break down every word that you say and analyzing every word a woman says to you is wasting your energy!! Just trust your gut, be honest, and be yourself!! That is my best advice. Cheers, |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Quote: On a scale from 1-237, how adventurous/spontaneous are you? 1 being Ben Stein's voice, 237 being stealing a Ferrari robbing a bank and driving full throttle to Vegas Sent from the OkCupid app
I thought about it but like I said, I try not to get sexual till the phone number exchange.
Apr 10, 2013 – 1:56am like 169. she said 69! was a perfect opportunity to go pick up a slight sexual vibe! |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Quote: From a woman's POV - I totally agree with the advice of not looking at a girl's profile too many times without messaging them.
You're on a forum full of men who are talking about how to get laid... I'm not sure theres such thing as crude. Those are valid points as well. The way I see it is like this: You're out wherever. You look at a girl across the room and make eye contact. You can be a man and go talk to her, or you can stay where you are. The more you look at her the less confident you seem and the more of a creep you look like for staring.
It is absolutely creepy and makes us think you go on every night and look at our pics as you jack off. Sorry to be crude, but we're not as silly as you think. If you're hemming and hawing about contacting us, you're either A) waiting to hear back from a girl you like better, or B) not confident enough to hold our interest anyway. Fortune favors the brave!! And by the way, I know this is a PUA forum but really, guys, you can overdo the strategy angle. This is not sending a man to the moon. Trying to break down every word that you say and analyzing every word a woman says to you is wasting your energy!! Just trust your gut, be honest, and be yourself!! That is my best advice. Cheers, |
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| Author: | Jambi [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Thanks divva most of us appreciate blunt to the point no pussyfooting around advice from the otherside since most women beat around the bush for reasons such as protecting us not to hurt our feeling or not wanting to look like a bitch. I always set my browsing to hidden since it was ny gut telling me women getl freaked out like you said. You're my new go to girl for perspective 
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| Author: | .Sage. [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Quote: From a woman's POV - I totally agree with the advice of not looking at a girl's profile too many times without messaging them.
'be yourself'It is absolutely creepy and makes us think you go on every night and look at our pics as you jack off. Sorry to be crude, but we're not as silly as you think. If you're hemming and hawing about contacting us, you're either A) waiting to hear back from a girl you like better, or B) not confident enough to hold our interest anyway. Fortune favors the brave!! And by the way, I know this is a PUA forum but really, guys, you can overdo the strategy angle. This is not sending a man to the moon. Trying to break down every word that you say and analyzing every word a woman says to you is wasting your energy!! Just trust your gut, be honest, and be yourself!! That is my best advice. Cheers, Said every woman, everywhere. I'd like every woman to be herself as well, no makeup, no fake stuff anywhere. Let's see where that gets them... |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5am Online dating brainstorming |
Quote: Quote: From a woman's POV - I totally agree with the advice of not looking at a girl's profile too many times without messaging them.
'be yourself'It is absolutely creepy and makes us think you go on every night and look at our pics as you jack off. Sorry to be crude, but we're not as silly as you think. If you're hemming and hawing about contacting us, you're either A) waiting to hear back from a girl you like better, or B) not confident enough to hold our interest anyway. Fortune favors the brave!! And by the way, I know this is a PUA forum but really, guys, you can overdo the strategy angle. This is not sending a man to the moon. Trying to break down every word that you say and analyzing every word a woman says to you is wasting your energy!! Just trust your gut, be honest, and be yourself!! That is my best advice. Cheers, Said every woman, everywhere. I'd like every woman to be herself as well, no makeup, no fake stuff anywhere. Let's see where that gets them... |
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