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| Author: | cg319 [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
If there's one thing I hate about online it's that a lot of women will skip over average looking guys no matter what the profile says. So do you become good at Photoshop, put on a bunch of accessories to take away from the fact you're not a super hot guy or do you just join a gym and start tanning? I'm skinny, not tan and not buff, I'm just an average looking dude who doesn't have acne or anything that would say basement dweller. However no matter what opener I use, the response rate is unnaturally low and convo drops off after a couple or a few messages. However: My friend and I did some more experimenting and it doesn't matter what you say as some hot alpha 6 pack ripped guy. You can say "Sup girl I want to lick you all night" and the response rate is astonishing and the follow through requires no effort. I had a 9 ask me to come back to her place after a "sup". So how do average looking guys make it online...? Do they just have to suck it up, accept the fact they aren't going to meet attractive girls online or do they have to pretty much hit a gym and start tanning? If so, I guess i'll have to make some time sacrifices and do P90X |
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| Author: | Mr.Jowee [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:50 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? | ||
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I'm skinny, not tan and not buff
I see you and raise; I'm also bald. That's no reason that you can't take a really nice picture. Openers are important, but if you're main pic is terrible you can cancel Christmas.$15 shirt and a $30 pair of pants.
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| Author: | skypirate35 [ Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Look at the competition and you'll see just how many guys have bad uninteresting photos. It's a lot. If you can rise above them with better photos, that'll put you above average. |
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| Author: | Brantley [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
I call BS on a nine being real on a dating site. Either that or your scale is broken. A nine should be super model quality. A girl of that tear will not need an online dating profile to meet guys. |
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| Author: | cg319 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: I call BS on a nine being real on a dating site. Either that or your scale is broken. A nine should be super model quality. A girl of that tear will not need an online dating profile to meet guys.
You'd be surprised. Eventually girls who only date alpha ripped macho men come to the conclusion they're not going to be able to start a family with these guys since that's usually not in their interest. You'd be surprised who you'd find online and what women go there.A lot of women turn to dating to find someone who's different than the typical guys they meet offline but the problem is, their standards are so unrealistic because of all the people that message them. |
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| Author: | Mr.Jowee [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
The number one reason given in surveys as to why people use online dating is because they want to date outside of their social circle, which gives credence to what cg319 said. Also, check this out. It's some statistics concerning online dating. http://www.statisticbrain.com/online-dating-statistics/ People using online dating is split 50/50 between men and woman (well, almost). Percent of women who have sex on their first online dating encounter: 33%. I like those odds! 
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| Author: | Profile Diva [ Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Here's a woman's POV - the fact for both men and women is that average looking people usually end up with average looking partners. Don't set yourself up for failure by going after 9's if you're a 5. Ask yourself what's important - wasting tons of time and energy trying to land a 9 and failing, or meeting, dating and having sex with 5's, 6's or 7's. Contrary to what PUA teaches - every man CAN'T get any girl they want. It also sounds like you're putting looks first in who you try to contact, but then complaining that women are doing the same. Double standard perhaps? |
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| Author: | Crypto [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Here's a woman's POV - the fact for both men and women is that average looking people usually end up with average looking partners. Don't set yourself up for failure by going after 9's if you're a 5. Ask yourself what's important - wasting tons of time and energy trying to land a 9 and failing, or meeting, dating and having sex with 5's, 6's or 7's. Contrary to what PUA teaches - every man CAN'T get any girl they want. It also sounds like you're putting looks first in who you try to contact, but then complaining that women are doing the same. Double standard perhaps?
@ Profile Diva. I don't agree! Never expect anyone to settle based on anything other than free will! The point of this site and game in general is to help guys get off their asses and work to achieve something more than the life/partnerships they are currently living. If we ask them to "just settle" then why should they even try in the first place? I mean, settling is settling so they might as well stay their AFC ass on the couch! My 2C...Now for the OP. There is a learning curve...Work on making yourself more presentable in your photo's, make a well written profile that includes "Humor, Cockyness, Emotional triggers, Future projection". You're photo's should portray what is written in your profile (they should match eachother). An example of what I'm talking about including in your profile: "My perspective on music is that it’s pure, emotional communication. Have you ever listened to a song in another language but still understood on an emotional level, what the song was trying to express? Music can bring emotions out in us and bring us back to emotions that we felt in the past…Think about a favorite song from 15-20 years ago, how it makes you feel when you say “Man, I haven’t heard this song in forever”. (I know you’re smiling right now)" which is much better than "I listen to all kinds of music, my favorite bands are Barry Manalow, Peter Tosh, and Yanni and his pan flute" Hope this helps. Peace... |
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| Author: | Profile Diva [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Crypto, Let's be serious. Would you advise that any woman, if she just "upped her game", could land Ryan Gosling, or Channing Tatum or George Clooney? That she shouldn't settle for her 6 boyfriend, even though she is a 6 and will NEVER be a 9? That the only reason she is settling for less than Ryan Gosling is a matter of "free will"? Of course not! You would be selling her a line of pure bullshit and setting her up for frustration and failure. Fact is, only time I see women who are 9's with men who are 5's is when the man is very rich, very powerful, or very famous. Sure you can occasionally get a hot girl to stumble home with you if she's drunk enough and really pissed off at her alpha boyfriend - but that's not the same thing as choosing you from a group of 50 other guys online. Looks are LESS important to women, but not unimportant. I do agree that every man can do more than they're doing, and can probably attract a higher level of woman than they think they can, but setting them up for failure by encouraging them to go after 9's and just face constant rejection is NOT GOOD ADVICE and does not build confidence or self-esteem, which is supposedly what this site is about. And my 2cents - What's better? Getting laid by a 6 or 7, or getting played and rejected by a 9? What's the real goal here?? To impress other men by landing a hot chick that's clearly out of your league in looks, or getting MORE attractive women to notice you, talk to you, go out with you, and fuck you?? That is what will build confidence and THAT is what women will eventually be attracted to. |
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| Author: | Muzz [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Crypto,
You're coming from the belief that women are the trophy. Whos to say a woman wouldn't rather get laid by a 6 or 7 than be rejected by a 9? No one says you can go out and get a 9 overnight. This is self transformation, it isn't easy.
Let's be serious. Would you advise that any woman, if she just "upped her game", could land Ryan Gosling, or Channing Tatum or George Clooney? That she shouldn't settle for her 6 boyfriend, even though she is a 6 and will NEVER be a 9? That the only reason she is settling for less than Ryan Gosling is a matter of "free will"? Of course not! You would be selling her a line of pure bullshit and setting her up for frustration and failure. Fact is, only time I see women who are 9's with men who are 5's is when the man is very rich, very powerful, or very famous. Sure you can occasionally get a hot girl to stumble home with you if she's drunk enough and really pissed off at her alpha boyfriend - but that's not the same thing as choosing you from a group of 50 other guys online. Looks are LESS important to women, but not unimportant. I do agree that every man can do more than they're doing, and can probably attract a higher level of woman than they think they can, but setting them up for failure by encouraging them to go after 9's and just face constant rejection is NOT GOOD ADVICE and does not build confidence or self-esteem, which is supposedly what this site is about. And my 2cents - What's better? Getting laid by a 6 or 7, or getting played and rejected by a 9? What's the real goal here?? To impress other men by landing a hot chick that's clearly out of your league in looks, or getting MORE attractive women to notice you, talk to you, go out with you, and fuck you?? That is what will build confidence and THAT is what women will eventually be attracted to. |
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| Author: | Mr.Jowee [ Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Here's a woman's POV - the fact for both men and women is that average looking people usually end up with average looking partners. Don't set yourself up for failure by going after 9's if you're a 5. Ask yourself what's important - wasting tons of time and energy trying to land a 9 and failing, or meeting, dating and having sex with 5's, 6's or 7's. Contrary to what PUA teaches - every man CAN'T get any girl they want. It also sounds like you're putting looks first in who you try to contact, but then complaining that women are doing the same. Double standard perhaps?
This goes against the core beliefs and practices behind game. |
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| Author: | Crypto [ Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Quote: Crypto,
You're coming from the belief that women are the trophy. Whos to say a woman wouldn't rather get laid by a 6 or 7 than be rejected by a 9? No one says you can go out and get a 9 overnight. This is self transformation, it isn't easy.Let's be serious. Would you advise that any woman, if she just "upped her game", could land Ryan Gosling, or Channing Tatum or George Clooney? That she shouldn't settle for her 6 boyfriend, even though she is a 6 and will NEVER be a 9? That the only reason she is settling for less than Ryan Gosling is a matter of "free will"? Of course not! You would be selling her a line of pure bullshit and setting her up for frustration and failure. Fact is, only time I see women who are 9's with men who are 5's is when the man is very rich, very powerful, or very famous. Sure you can occasionally get a hot girl to stumble home with you if she's drunk enough and really pissed off at her alpha boyfriend - but that's not the same thing as choosing you from a group of 50 other guys online. Looks are LESS important to women, but not unimportant. I do agree that every man can do more than they're doing, and can probably attract a higher level of woman than they think they can, but setting them up for failure by encouraging them to go after 9's and just face constant rejection is NOT GOOD ADVICE and does not build confidence or self-esteem, which is supposedly what this site is about. And my 2cents - What's better? Getting laid by a 6 or 7, or getting played and rejected by a 9? What's the real goal here?? To impress other men by landing a hot chick that's clearly out of your league in looks, or getting MORE attractive women to notice you, talk to you, go out with you, and fuck you?? That is what will build confidence and THAT is what women will eventually be attracted to. This statement makes me think you are the kind of person who would tell Buster Douglas "Don't get in the ring with Mike Tyson, you don't have a chance!" Every human sees something different in every situation. Your 10 my only be my 7! In real life not everyone gets a fucking trophy, but if you give it your best then you know you did everything within your control to play the game. Peace... |
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| Author: | Ethan Hunt [ Thu May 02, 2013 2:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Let me interject my two cents here. In my experience looks are definitely important to women, however not nearly as much as men. That being said, looks are still important to women if not just for the fact that she's good looking and expects to find a partner she thinks is "up to her standards" but because she's afraid her friends will judge her if she dates an "unattractive" man. HOWEVER there are ALWAYS exceptions. A pickup artist is the exception to the rule. Sure, guys can get proactiv and clear up their acne, they can hit the gym and get buff, they can go to a tanning bed and if they're bald they can get a tupe, but what if they still aren't good enough looking to win a woman's attraction? There's several ways around this. The first one is to AVOID DATING SITES or any other place where you are primarily judged on your looks. Instead, even the ugliest of guys can come in under the radar and flip her attraction switches, no matter what he looks like (provided he is well groomed and has a generally well cared for appearance). Play to your strengths and don't think just because you can't attract a girl online where the primary filter for attraction is a photograph you can't learn game and bring home beautiful girls, because that's just not true. The key is to engineer a scenario where you can attract a girl based on something besides your looks. Because lucky for us guys, women care WAY more about how you make them feel than how you look. With guys, however, it's a completely different story.... |
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| Author: | Profile Diva [ Wed May 08, 2013 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Quote: Quote: Crypto,
You're coming from the belief that women are the trophy. Whos to say a woman wouldn't rather get laid by a 6 or 7 than be rejected by a 9? No one says you can go out and get a 9 overnight. This is self transformation, it isn't easy.Let's be serious. Would you advise that any woman, if she just "upped her game", could land Ryan Gosling, or Channing Tatum or George Clooney? That she shouldn't settle for her 6 boyfriend, even though she is a 6 and will NEVER be a 9? That the only reason she is settling for less than Ryan Gosling is a matter of "free will"? Of course not! You would be selling her a line of pure bullshit and setting her up for frustration and failure. Fact is, only time I see women who are 9's with men who are 5's is when the man is very rich, very powerful, or very famous. Sure you can occasionally get a hot girl to stumble home with you if she's drunk enough and really pissed off at her alpha boyfriend - but that's not the same thing as choosing you from a group of 50 other guys online. Looks are LESS important to women, but not unimportant. I do agree that every man can do more than they're doing, and can probably attract a higher level of woman than they think they can, but setting them up for failure by encouraging them to go after 9's and just face constant rejection is NOT GOOD ADVICE and does not build confidence or self-esteem, which is supposedly what this site is about. And my 2cents - What's better? Getting laid by a 6 or 7, or getting played and rejected by a 9? What's the real goal here?? To impress other men by landing a hot chick that's clearly out of your league in looks, or getting MORE attractive women to notice you, talk to you, go out with you, and fuck you?? That is what will build confidence and THAT is what women will eventually be attracted to. This statement makes me think you are the kind of person who would tell Buster Douglas "Don't get in the ring with Mike Tyson, you don't have a chance!" Every human sees something different in every situation. Your 10 my only be my 7! In real life not everyone gets a fucking trophy, but if you give it your best then you know you did everything within your control to play the game. Peace... Excellent boxing analogy. Do you want to go into the ring and get the shit beat out of you again and again, or actually win a fight? Which one leads to increased confidence? Which one just leaves you battered and bruised but hey - at least you tried. This post started with a guy who is frustrated by the fact that good looking guys are the only ones that get the attention of the hot girls online. What I'm trying to be realistic about is that in an online environment, where you can't easily show off personality, confidence, body language, humour, and other things besides looks, physical appearance usually wins the day. Given this reality, I'm suggesting that it might be better for self-esteem to get some wins in the ring rather than get the shit kicked out of you over and over and become dejected. It is a process, and I'm supporting the idea that success breeds success, and no guy can live off the crumbs of saying, "well I didn't get laid but at least I played a good game". Fair? |
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| Author: | Crypto [ Wed May 08, 2013 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Average Looking Guys - How Do They Make It? |
Quote: Quote: Quote: Crypto,
You're coming from the belief that women are the trophy. Whos to say a woman wouldn't rather get laid by a 6 or 7 than be rejected by a 9? No one says you can go out and get a 9 overnight. This is self transformation, it isn't easy.Let's be serious. Would you advise that any woman, if she just "upped her game", could land Ryan Gosling, or Channing Tatum or George Clooney? That she shouldn't settle for her 6 boyfriend, even though she is a 6 and will NEVER be a 9? That the only reason she is settling for less than Ryan Gosling is a matter of "free will"? Of course not! You would be selling her a line of pure bullshit and setting her up for frustration and failure. Fact is, only time I see women who are 9's with men who are 5's is when the man is very rich, very powerful, or very famous. Sure you can occasionally get a hot girl to stumble home with you if she's drunk enough and really pissed off at her alpha boyfriend - but that's not the same thing as choosing you from a group of 50 other guys online. Looks are LESS important to women, but not unimportant. I do agree that every man can do more than they're doing, and can probably attract a higher level of woman than they think they can, but setting them up for failure by encouraging them to go after 9's and just face constant rejection is NOT GOOD ADVICE and does not build confidence or self-esteem, which is supposedly what this site is about. And my 2cents - What's better? Getting laid by a 6 or 7, or getting played and rejected by a 9? What's the real goal here?? To impress other men by landing a hot chick that's clearly out of your league in looks, or getting MORE attractive women to notice you, talk to you, go out with you, and fuck you?? That is what will build confidence and THAT is what women will eventually be attracted to. This statement makes me think you are the kind of person who would tell Buster Douglas "Don't get in the ring with Mike Tyson, you don't have a chance!" Every human sees something different in every situation. Your 10 my only be my 7! In real life not everyone gets a fucking trophy, but if you give it your best then you know you did everything within your control to play the game. Peace... Excellent boxing analogy. Do you want to go into the ring and get the shit beat out of you again and again, or actually win a fight? Which one leads to increased confidence? Which one just leaves you battered and bruised but hey - at least you tried. This post started with a guy who is frustrated by the fact that good looking guys are the only ones that get the attention of the hot girls online. What I'm trying to be realistic about is that in an online environment, where you can't easily show off personality, confidence, body language, humour, and other things besides looks, physical appearance usually wins the day. Given this reality, I'm suggesting that it might be better for self-esteem to get some wins in the ring rather than get the shit kicked out of you over and over and become dejected. It is a process, and I'm supporting the idea that success breeds success, and no guy can live off the crumbs of saying, "well I didn't get laid but at least I played a good game". Fair?[/quote] I see the point you are trying to make, and I will agree to disagree. We tell guys to "Approach, approach, approach!" You will not get better at anything in your life if you are not willing to work for it (grades, sports, art, PU, etc...) If you are average looking and you can't pull girls that are a few levels above you then it is not your looks that are lacking, it is your inner/outer game. Yes looks are important in online game, but a couple of decent pictures will get you far! My boxing analogy was to say that "Every boxer was an average guy at some point in their life, and they chose not to listen to the naysayers who said You can't do it". Peace... |
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