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Author:  amanpua [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Rate my Opener or....
Rate or Suggest alternatives please....

'' Hi Tina, I know youve probably been asked this Q a hundred times already.... But Hows it going in the big city..... where abouts did you settle in the end? ''

( guys please help, some of us lowly AFCs are trying really hard to break free and become closer to PUA level 101, so please take time to read and reply.... Many Thanks Guys. Think about it when Iam bone-ing this 9.9, ill have u guys to thank.... and hey who knows maybe I could give u cut! :-).... no more than 5% tho
Author:  preps [ Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:16 am ]
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Couple things don't use that opener first of all, second don't say I know you have been asked this a hundred times it implies you are the same as a hundred other guys.

Scrap the question entirely to be honest.

When it comes to opening it's about your level and familiarity with the game If you are going indirect like that you had better know how to create attraction.

Considering you are a beginner open direct this is the absolute best way for new members to become familiar with the game while ousting approach anxiety.

A lot of guys who start out open with indirect things like this, and end up getting friend zoned if you start by simply saying "Hey Tina I noticed that you looked nice and wanted to come over to talk" she will be receptive trust me I used to love indirect, but now that I started direct daygame you get a much more receptive response.

This and you dont feel like you need to work up some attraction it is already there within your first couple words.

After you open tell her how you noticed something different either about her personality or the way she looks it is important to stress how she is different here. Learn some cold reading techniques and the ever important humor.

Then hit her with a couple of open ended questions that will get her talking and qualifications. My personal favorite being Mysteries "Besides your good looks what else do you have going for you beauty is easy to find?" This implies you deal with beauty on a daily basis.

If this is an online thing which is what I am assuming, scrap it. Go out to your local crowded street, and start daygaming, your local college campus if you attend one, or even a mall.
Author:  amanpua [ Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:38 pm ]
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Thank you prep, for your most gracious reply. Yes this is online and thanks for replying..... your reply is so helpful escpec for my day game. But I have to have this girl..... call it oneitis if u will but i dont care, it is imperative I get her.....So i still need an opener??
Author:  amanpua [ Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:30 pm ]
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okay so how about this for an opener......

Hi Tina, What are peops in the big city doing for haloween....... you dressing up as a wicked witch or a crazy rocker chick?

PREP going back to youre point about attraction, what if shes already physically attracted to me(not emotionally yet), isnt that all i need? Even if my opener was shit, I reckon i can still number close from facebook IM and then I should fly from there?
Author:  preps [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:10 am ]
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It is hard to establish a legitimate attraction and be congruent with that on internet dating sites.

While physical attraction will get you in the door with some women on dating sites what brings it home is the emotional response they get from your profile, ask yourself a couple questions first off.

Does my profile reflect the frame I am congruent with? Does my profile show a level of mutual interest with the type of women I want to attract? To give an example of each if you are a party guy looking for party girls your profile would have many pictures of you at bars having fun with your friends and other women.
Or an intellectual girl would be something like enjoying a wine tasting and art appreciation with a women and friends. Or adventurous girls etc.

The next piece I want to give you is to have an objective, we both know you want to acquire a meeting.

So go balls out and secure one! You are the guy that gets alot of dates and controls womens frame to revolve around him.

These online dating sites are filled with men who are tip toe-ing on glass trying to create small talk so that they can establish an emotional rapport so your opener still isn't being direct enough. Because opening with that would make you like everyone else, don't be afraid to be exciting

Just say you noticed that she looked nice/fun and you would be interested in getting to know her over drinks/lunch/coffee

Women appreciate ballsy men and if you can come up with something ballsy enough for her to think " Man this guy really knows what he wants" she will appreciate you and you will have a lot of value
Author:  amanpua [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:55 am ]
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Thank you yet again, your last post gives me everything I need for my start on the online dating sites, I must admit I was struggling with the initial part so this will help me loads.
Sorry but I shud of been more clear, this effort is for a girl I used to work with but now were friends on facebook, i added her myself 1week ago, but I havent said anything to her, I know i should have played the poke game but i read that thread too late. So need to open somebody I.know, we've worked together, she sent signals of attraction back then, but at the time I was preoccupied, I.know its one-it is behaviour but I have to give this girl a shot.
Thanks again
Author:  preps [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:10 am ]
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good attitude mate and best of luck to you, let me know how it goes
Author:  detox75 [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:50 am ]
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preps is giving you good advice ill just add one thing he probably mentioned
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'' Hi Tina, I know you've probably been asked this Q a hundred times already.... But Hows it going in the big city..... where about did you settle in the end? ''
this is horrible for a few reasons you can learn from. first you are asking for permission to proceed and your are excusing your ham-handed opener, as if you know it sucks. Girls hate excusers and supplicators, you are leading with a low value pity party approach- not attractive

finally in regards to the ending, dont ask girls questions they obviously know you dont care about.
Quote:
where about did you settle in the end?
Do you know the city well enough that you want to give her Romanian restaurant advice and smart cocktail neighborhood tips? No? knock off the rapport nonsense.

Her is a better one

"Damn, Taco bell gives me the shits, whats good in the new digs?"

Im not recommending that opener, but its much betetr than yours.
Author:  Romino [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:07 pm ]
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well I dont wanna lift online dating, but its sure fun while you dont have time to go play on the road (lets say you're boread at work =D)

I've been doin that for over 10 years, i got ONS, affairs and even a 2 year girlfriend out of it.

Most important as said for me is: 1st DO NOT do what all other insecure and wannabe gigolos do: ask stupid simple questions and get right cocky. Probably over 90% of men get right into sexuall topics, and even more than in streetgame girls are BORED of this.

2nd do not ask booring thins other ask. so what do you do?! simple:

3rd never hold a copy past opener ready and spread it, girls will know you do so!

write something nobody else would write! always involv something you read on her profile or saw on her pics.

samples:
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here i would write like: "look yummy those cookies but I'm sure you didnt bake them on your own :P"

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"nice bag lain there on the stairs, my friend is lookig for something like this, shes goin crazy about it! If i could get her one she'd show me those big cute eyes and finally paying back her debts, so where did you get it from?! :P"

well yes i like disqualifiers =) what im tryin to do here is
a. not mention her beauty at all -> everyone else is doin that, shes surprised
b. pay attention to the detail -> nobdy else is doin that, surprised again
c. not even asking a question. if she is interested, she will write back.

ah yeah, in online dating apperance IS a big topic (because its easy do deny somoebody, no bad feelig for a girl to do so rather than in a club where she might talk to you a little just to be nice), so you better have a good pic of yourself ready ;)

I usually noticed if you talk a bit about normal stuff and keep the girl interestest, if she wants more, its just a matter of time till she hits a sexual topic. usually i just chat back and forth a while and relax, and then suddenly she comes up with something. if not, shes not worth and move on.

hope that helps a little ;)

your particular situation with the girl of ex-work of course is different. I might go with a simple "are you still getting orders from that asshole boss "name" at "company"?!" well not best. what i'd have dont is on purpose leave sometign somwhere and write her like * hey , i forgot my stuffed animal in the basement floor, can you pack and seal it and hand it to me? I will talk to your boss for paycheck raise too ;) *
Author:  amanpua [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:06 pm ]
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Guys Thank you to all of you, youve given me seriously awesome bits of advice here.. but i have a question related to rominos post about youre 3 donts and 3 dos
When I message a girl for the first time should I put mild sexual innuendo into the message, for example with your message about the cookies, i coudnt tell if you were leading it in a sexual way, besides if she's a nice girl which iam sure she is then she may think iam a jerk for saying something suggestive of sex...
I ask this because some peops are suggest being very forward when talking online with their games... I suppose sexual and being very forward are two different things right?
Author:  preps [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:16 pm ]
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This is great advice for online game Romino. I personally don't dabble into it what I say is more crafted towards daygame and direct night game. Follow his formula and you will get the interaction you want.
Author:  Romino [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:53 pm ]
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well amanpua:

for your friend maybe the very forward stuff works, but for me not. It might work, but only on ugly or really sluty girls. I want neither of them =) so i do veeeery indirect game online. its totally different to offline gaming i think..

@preps thx, glad someone likes it :)
Author:  amanpua [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:09 pm ]
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I here you guys...
Romino your pictured message is AWESOME, Ive read it three times already and I picked up new things from everytime I read it. I have two more Questions related to messaging a girl online...

1/ With the 3rd, c 'not even asking a question. If she is interested, she will write back'
I hear what your saying, but there is a risk that she wont reply back if I dont leave a question mark at the end of one of the sentences?

2/ If she does reply back, how do you maintain the same level of interest/attraction?....surely I cant keep picking up on details, ignoring the beauty, and NOT asking questions.. right?

okay heres another opener iam thinkin about, please rate
Hi Tina, Thats a trampoline in your profile pic! Would be awesome seeing a pic of you doing some jumping somersaults on it... would also make for an interesting album cover right?! (She wants to be a popstar... yes iam being serious)

Okay just for fun.... what i would really like to see
Hi Tina, Thats a trampoline in youre profile pic! Would be awesome seeing a pic of you butt naked doing jumping somersualts on it... (shes got a HEAVENLY ass and chest!)

cheers again, cant blame me for trying to entertain u guys....
Author:  foefiddy [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:32 pm ]
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Quote:
1/ With the 3rd, c 'not even asking a question. If she is interested, she will write back'
I hear what your saying, but there is a risk that she wont reply back if I dont leave a question mark at the end of one of the sentences?
There's always the risk she will not respond whether you ask a question or not. What I try to do is make a statement that she would want to elaborate on. Pick something important to her like her job or favorite hobby. You can say something to effect of "I've always wanted to do _____. I bet it's fun/rewarding/etc." She usually agrees/elaborates and asks me how I'm doing. Not the best example but you get the idea. Make it playful and it'll increase the chance of a reply. Also, I try to avoid commenting on pictures because it shows I actually read her profile.

I think this can also convey confidence because it shows you don't expect a reply.
Author:  Romino [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:30 am ]
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well i noticed that girls like when you read they're profile and not just send s simple one line, try to write a at least 5 lines.
like foefiddy says, its doesnt matter big if thers a question or not, she will answer if shes interested. you can have tons of questions if she doesnt like you, no answer. next.

if she replies back how to maintan the level? comment on the stuff she said, its quite simple :D make a statement on her text and try to add a story of yours..

"Hi Tina, Thats a trampoline in your profile pic! Would be awesome seeing a pic of you doing some jumping somersaults on it... " - nope
Like always cant say mine is right but id say like "looks like a fun trampolin Tina, can you do the backspin on that?! show me :P"

btw i noticed you never do smiles. its like in real life, smile ;) do a dirty smile :P a ;) or a big :-D whatever, just make it look fun. with writing the body language is missing, big minus. so you have to try pimp it up so she reads acutally the way you mean it, not the way her mind gets it.


btw did you write her yet? or still hiding?! :P
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