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Author:  Artem23 [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Number closed in 2 messages!
Pimping ain't easy :)

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Me:
8/25/2012 7:48:10 PM
Hey there. My name's Artem. So when I first saw your description I thought woah, I dont know if I can read all that, but I started reading and actually got through it (I'm proud of myself). And you know what, I was inspired by your honesty and I thought it'd be nice to get to know you. So shoot me a message when you get this, I promise I wont bite :) Talk to you soon

Her:
8/31/2012 5:35:40 PM
Lol its nice to meet you, I'm ______ :) how are you doin?

Me:
8/31/2012 7:37:14 PM
Hey _______, I'm doing great,thx for asking! I actually recently decided I'm done with this whole online dating thing. I mean it takes forever to get to know someone like that, and then you have to get to know them from scratch when you meet them anyway. I'm really glad you messaged me though, cause you seem like a nix person. I just hate doing the whole pen pals thing, there is no mystery in that. If you want to meet for a coffee sometime I'm up for it, if you can promise me you're not weird, lol. In any case, I'm willing to risk it if you are. I'm kind of in the midst of moving this weekend. And I'm going to be living downtown starting next week. So message me if you want to hang out, or you can text me: [phone number]. Later :)

Her:
9/5/2012 3:15:16 PM
[phone number] :)
Author:  Spacevolt [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:43 pm ]
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how many times has this work for you? and are they +HB9?
Author:  Artem23 [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:59 pm ]
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Spacevolt: I have only tried this once. I would rate her a 7. I also wouldn't recommend copy/pasting it. The reason I negged her in the initial message is because her description is very long. As for the moving and reconsidering online dating: it's true, and it's what I was thinking at the moment. I think fluff talk has to sound authentic, so it's good to just write what you are thinking/feeling at the moment, as long as it demonstrates value.
Author:  Spacevolt [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:49 am ]
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i mean i undertand the way of being direct with no bulshit and fluff talk. But i mean hot chicks get thousands of messages from random guys over facebook, being so direct like that seems hard because she doesnt really know you..
i'm really close friends with my friends sisters they are really georgeous and with nice bodies hb9's and whenever im around they always act like wtf? from guys that go direct over facebook specially if they arent good looking guys...

i probably would go with something clever or funny and apply it in a direct way.. but idont know.. i hardly game online.. im more like daygame and club game...
Author:  Artem23 [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:28 pm ]
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You've got a point, that approach might not have worked on a HB8+. Super hot chicks take extra work, but I think it's good to have a few 7's for backup in case the main objectives fail :P

You can get away with being a bit direct online, it's obvious that you are interested if you're messaging someone on a dating website. In person though, you should never be direct.

When your sister's friends are over, try ignoring them completely. They'll feel that, and start shit testing you with more of that "wtf?" attitude. Don't let them get away with it: neg them! For example, let's say you are talking to your sister (ignoring them), and they say something like "what is this guy doing here?", come back with "get over yourself please. it's not all about you." then before they can respond turn back to your sister and continue talking to her. Don't be too confrontational, just be playful while not taking any of their shit. If you do this right, they'll become interested, and start feeling comfortable around you. At this point you can go into compliance tests, DHV, qualifiers. Your sister WILL try to cockblock you (I have a sister, i know this lol). If your game is good though, this will only make them want you more. Don't invade their space too much, just roll off and let them come to you. Good luck!
Author:  Spacevolt [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:03 am ]
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I understand game, and um i know them since they were 15 now they are 20 and 19, so they never shit test me. i mean they are my pivots they actually get me gjrls when we go out.. they never shit test me, probably when we first met nkw that i think about it but now im just like part of the family. And everytime im there while they are getting all ready to go out i always make fun of them. kinda like a neg.. i even use the same lines on other girls and they work..

this is one i use often.
usually when i see a girl with boots i'll say
Hey, really nice boots! you know you remind me of puss in boots all you need now is a hat and a sword!!
usually they laugh and i procede with kino and gambits to keep building attraction and engaging her more into the convo.

btw i kinda disagree with u saying that in person you shouldnt be direct..
i have an understanding of cold reading and direct game and even though for now i dont feel confortable doing it id seen people that get results doing it.. in fact last night i was smoking a stoke outside the club and this guy approached a hb9 who was leaving to another club with her friend h 8 by saying
"OMG your the cutest girl id seen all night, i wanna go where your going!

[in my head i was like no way!, he is gonna get shot down]
the HB 9 looked at him (probably cause he was a handsome looking guy) and she said "well come with us were heading to blah.. blah.. blah.."
later on i saw them loose them for neediness and lack of game but i admit direct game works and it will save you from investing time on girls that arent worth investing time ]

[based on experience i think going direct in person will be more effective that online, but yeah your right hb7s and hb8s tend to show interest]

i used this on like 15 girls on facebook 5 replied and the rest idk if they havent check their messages or just ignored me.
i sent them this message

"Hey Facebook is suggesting that i should add you as a friend, You seem interesting but not sure if your one of those facebook junkies who like to post all over the place! lol Anyway hit me up! im looking foward on befriending you one day! ha..

so far 2 of the 5 girls who replied are hb9's
the rest are hb 7&8s
Author:  MrBreeze [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:41 am ]
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Im only impressed if you actually F close it. Not being a troll but Women online flake... Its about attrition to me. I see you writing a bunch and her writing a sentence. You write a bunch and she sends a number. Not really a connection or having her hooked.

My first three messages are CCP and I start to customize after that... But I agree that moving fast is key. Strike while the iron is hot or they forget. I send out about 10 messages a week and set up about 2 dates. Ill close maybe one every week or two...

Attrition:
send 10 messages a week
6-8 reply
3-4 set hooks
2-3 numbers
2 dates
1 close

If I can maintain this Im happy...
Author:  Crypto [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:41 pm ]
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Quote:
Im only impressed if you actually F close it. Not being a troll but Women online flake... Its about attrition to me. I see you writing a bunch and her writing a sentence. You write a bunch and she sends a number. Not really a connection or having her hooked.

My first three messages are CCP and I start to customize after that... But I agree that moving fast is key. Strike while the iron is hot or they forget. I send out about 10 messages a week and set up about 2 dates. Ill close maybe one every week or two...

Attrition:
send 10 messages a week
6-8 reply
3-4 set hooks
2-3 numbers
2 dates
1 close

If I can maintain this Im happy...
I agree, your numbers are a bit optimistic IMHO. Not unrealistic, just AFC's should not expect these results right away. I am pretty much along the same lines as you. I have developed my path to their pants and can selectively choose which ones I want to get with. I decide which girl I think will be the most fun to be around and the better lay... :wink:

Peace...
Author:  MrBreeze [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:14 pm ]
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Quote:
I agree, your numbers are a bit optimistic IMHO. Not unrealistic, just AFC's should not expect these results right away. I am pretty much along the same lines as you. I have developed my path to their pants and can selectively choose which ones I want to get with. I decide which girl I think will be the most fun to be around and the better lay... :wink:

Peace...
Totally agreed... my first three times before joining PUA was more like 20 messages and if I got a date or two out of them I was thrilled. It pays to follow advice on the board fellas! Also, just gaming/flirting in an overall sense pays off. Just like normal pick up...be the guy that stands out!
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