I copy and paste. Period.
Women on these sites are sometimes beyond snooty. Hell if I'm gonna take five minutes of my time and come up with something original.
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| Author: | piercemasters [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:19 am ] |
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So we all know the Darth Vader opener, it goes something like this: You: hey I would remove that picture on your profile Her: Why? You: lol I hope you can take a joke, I thought you were adorable , I just had to say hi There is no doubt that this is a great opener and will get you a ton of responses, the problem is what to do next -- you can engage with the wager, but most of the time the conversation ends there. The other problem is that this opener is a script, so you can be sure, over time, more and more chicks will have seen it and will be on to you from the start. Using scripts and "negs" online is a bad idea. I've developed a message that gets me a 100% response rate on OKCupid, and a date (which I never call a date, but a "meeting") by the third message. This message is not a script, but a small system that takes a few minutes and is well worth the effort. The goal of your first message should be to put her in a comfort zone: that you have recognized her for her person, not her looks. All she wants at this point is to be made comfortable corresponding with a stranger over the Web, so leave the flirty stuff (and the negs) for later. Here are guidelines for your first message: 1. Whatever you do, DO NOT comment on her looks. 2. Whatever you do, DO NOT say that she is "cute". Every girl I interviewed (which was over 50) said that they get upwards of ten messages a day that say "Hey, you're cute, let's chat". Avoiding this one mistake will set you apart from the pack. 3. Scour her profile for something interesting. Seriously, read every word of her profile. Watch videos of the bands she said she likes. 4. Write her a message that mentions these interesting things about her profile, and ask a question or two (very important!). If you've actually read her profile, an interesting question will pop out to you. 5. Write something about your interests of something you are passionate about, but keep this short. 6. Include this line somewhere in your message "I like your style" She will most likely write back answering your questions, and hopefully asking a few questions of her own. From here the game is on. Respond playfully and confidently. If she responds to your second message, you have the green light to ask her to meet. Respect, Pierce Masters http://www.onlinedatingtipsmaster.com/u ... ng-okcupid |
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| Author: | JaySin [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:15 pm ] |
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i agree with what piercemasters said, and would add that if you can make things you are saying RELATED to what she says rather than RANDOM! just as in a face to face conversation, the conversation will flow easier. |
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| Author: | SmoothOp [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:08 pm ] |
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No matter what opener you are using, only 30% of the really hot girls will read it. They get thousands of messages and have already selected there few contacts within a week a joining. So although your opener works, it would take about 30minutes to review a profile, research and write a decent message. So since its completely a numbers game with a little luck mixed with game, writing specific girl based openers is way to time consuming. I'd rather spam 50 semi canned lines in 10 minutes and get 2 reponses then write 10 novels in 2 hours and get 3 responses. Online sucks and is more labour intensive then any other sort of pickup. But this structure works overall and obviously is way better then canned crap!! |
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| Author: | dlightmen [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:11 pm ] |
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I have about 6 openers on my phone. I just cycle through them as I see fit. Vader's opener is not in there. However, his opener DID work out to a lay for me... So it's still good. The only problem is one needs to know how to jump through a lot of hoops with the responses they get from it. |
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| Author: | jurupa [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:40 am ] |
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There is no such thing a 100% reply rate. |
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| Author: | skypirate35 [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:17 am ] |
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All the ones I write usually look at my profile first before replying, or not. I'd say Pierce's type of message is most likely to work on the ones that write a more descriptive profile AND in your profile you like similar things to them. At least in the same ballpark. |
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| Author: | piercemasters [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:21 am ] |
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Hey jurupa, I changed the title to 99% response rate. I'm not advocating using this approach on every single hot chick profile -- running a numbers game. If you use this to approach a woman where there is some actual common ground (not just - "she's hot, I'll give it a shot"), then the rate is close to 100%. |
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| Author: | dlightmen [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:05 am ] |
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I copy and paste. Period. Women on these sites are sometimes beyond snooty. Hell if I'm gonna take five minutes of my time and come up with something original.
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| Author: | jurupa [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:27 pm ] |
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Quote: Hey jurupa, I still call bull on this. I am not saying it won't increase reply rates as it does as I do something somewhat similar but the reality is at best you are going to get 70 maybe 80 percent reply rate. Saying you can get something more is bs really. Because it is still a numbers game. Making a unique message tailored to the girl does indeed help the chances of her replying but its not going to work every time. In some ways actually you are better sending out a premade message that does a good job of invoking some sort of need to reply to get the same reply. As a lot of online dating is nothing more than marketing.
I changed the title to 99% response rate. I'm not advocating using this approach on every single hot chick profile -- running a numbers game. If you use this to approach a woman where there is some actual common ground (not just - "she's hot, I'll give it a shot"), then the rate is close to 100%. |
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| Author: | cg319 [ Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:15 pm ] |
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A lot of people focus on the message most of the time but the fact remains: If she sees someone who is not attractive messaging her, she's either going to do one of three things A: Don't read it and delete it B: Respond to it out of kindness and for conversation C: Read it and delete it Sure, online is a numbers game but if you're ugly then the sad truth is you're only going to get lays from insanely crazy, desperate or slutty women. Most women online are looking for their mix of The Notebook/Rambo type guys that they think exists. Once you have an attractive picture, you can say just about anything and get her attention. "Hey shitbag" from a good looking guy with a 6 pack is better than a clever funny/witty line from a genuinely nice non-attractive guy. The online sarging world is a cruel game. |
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| Author: | bp029 [ Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:37 pm ] |
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I write very personalized messages and maybe get a 40% response rate on OKCupid. Most of the successes I've had though come from women who contact me first or rate my profile high. |
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