PUA Forum :: Number Closing girls behind the counter

I use to work behind the counter at a book store and would have no problem doing number closes on customers. But for some reason, when the roles are reversed, it feels more difficult. I feel like its an inappropriate time to have a conversation when the girl is working, much less do a number close. Girls waiting at a bus stop, or enjoying their coffee or just walking around are no problem to me.

I've always thought working girls...mainly retail stores...are the best to practice with since they are suppose to talk to you anyways. So I'm just wondering anyone else feel this way and if they can provide any tips to succeed.

And please promise me that you'll never look down during a conversation - it is a classic sign of weakness. Holding eye contact holds a woman's attention more effectively, and, even more important, it works on the attraction centres in the brain. Eye contact builds up sexual interest and attraction. Think about yourself for a moment - isn't it true that you are more attracted to the girl who can hold good eye contact than the one who can't? The same is true for women.
Just some friendly advice

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In such a situation, notice her name, introduce yourself, try to talk about something memorable then call her back. Or ask her for some help at the back of the store. Ask for her to get a size they don't have in stock, etc.. and have her call you when it comes in. Then take it from there.

Author:	thebill [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:50 am ]
Post subject:	Number Closing girls behind the counter
I use to work behind the counter at a book store and would have no problem doing number closes on customers. But for some reason, when the roles are reversed, it feels more difficult. I feel like its an inappropriate time to have a conversation when the girl is working, much less do a number close. Girls waiting at a bus stop, or enjoying their coffee or just walking around are no problem to me. I've always thought working girls...mainly retail stores...are the best to practice with since they are suppose to talk to you anyways. So I'm just wondering anyone else feel this way and if they can provide any tips to succeed.

Author:	hollywoodinpa [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:	SURE YOU CAN DO IT.
Just remember to have fun with it and she will respond with a good nature. Also I'd try to wait until there are not any other customers around so she doesn't feel uncomfortable, and not give you number so she doesnt look sluty in front of the other customers. This one is really important. If you can't hold eye contact, you will appear submissive and unsure of yourself - two things that will guarantee a low success rate with women. And please promise me that you'll never look down during a conversation - it is a classic sign of weakness. Holding eye contact holds a woman's attention more effectively, and, even more important, it works on the attraction centres in the brain. Eye contact builds up sexual interest and attraction. Think about yourself for a moment - isn't it true that you are more attracted to the girl who can hold good eye contact than the one who can't? The same is true for women. Just some friendly advice

Author:	Starbuck [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Number Closing girls behind the counter
Quote: I use to work behind the counter at a book store and would have no problem doing number closes on customers. But for some reason, when the roles are reversed, it feels more difficult. I feel like its an inappropriate time to have a conversation when the girl is working, much less do a number close. Girls waiting at a bus stop, or enjoying their coffee or just walking around are no problem to me. I've always thought working girls...mainly retail stores...are the best to practice with since they are suppose to talk to you anyways. So I'm just wondering anyone else feel this way and if they can provide any tips to succeed. Yep retail locations with hot girls are an excellent opportunity. They often pre-qualify you already. So if they're paying alot of attention, etc... it often means more than they're just trying to make the sale. And it's a perfect opportunity to shift the conversation outside the store. Just number close immediately when at the counter or on the sales floor when she's helping you pick out that favorite shirt. And don't worry what anybody else thinks. If she says no or the group suddenly starts giving you some type of passive aggressive shyt. Your choice to ever come back or not. If you find it difficult to converse or close when other people are around, such as co workers, managers, etc.. In such a situation, notice her name, introduce yourself, try to talk about something memorable then call her back. Or ask her for some help at the back of the store. Ask for her to get a size they don't have in stock, etc.. and have her call you when it comes in. Then take it from there. Another thing you can do is ask her where she and her girlfriends hang out when they aren't working. Then suddenly show up too. A little imagination goes along way. But try to be discreet. A lot of managers are into the control deal when it comes to their employees, not to mention their own personal envy and desire to make it with the help as well. So they will cock block you at every opportunity. So it's best to get it outside the store as soon as possible or risk your opportunity vanishing like a puff of smoke.

Author:	Trivial [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SURE YOU CAN DO IT.
Quote: And please promise me that you'll never look down during a conversation - it is a classic sign of weakness. Holding eye contact holds a woman's attention more effectively, and, even more important, it works on the attraction centres in the brain. Eye contact builds up sexual interest and attraction. Think about yourself for a moment - isn't it true that you are more attracted to the girl who can hold good eye contact than the one who can't? The same is true for women. Just some friendly advice Not to look down yes! To hold eye contact No! Don't ever hold eye contact because it seems portrays that you are overly interested and she is the only thing that has your attention. Showing her that you are attracted to her will throw off your whole game so occasionally look to the side and someone doing something showing them that they are not holding you attention. And staring at someone makes people feel akward and could make them believe you are a creep.

Author:	Trivial [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Number Closing girls behind the counter
Quote: Quote: In such a situation, notice her name, introduce yourself, try to talk about something memorable then call her back. Or ask her for some help at the back of the store. Ask for her to get a size they don't have in stock, etc.. and have her call you when it comes in. Then take it from there. Genius Idea!

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Author:	L.A. Tripp [ Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:28 pm ]
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You SHOULD hold eye contact, but at least have a smile on your face or something so she doesn't take you for a creep.

Author:	thebill [ Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:22 am ]
Post subject:	great...
Thanks guys, that was valuable information. I tend to do the body rock thing and my eyes aren't on her but also not looking downwards. I sometimes avoid giving eye contact when talking because my body tend to lean in automatically (anyone else got this?). Anyways, I'll keep you guys posted.

Author:	L.A. Tripp [ Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:31 am ]
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WHOAAAA!!! Do NOT avoid eye contact man. BAD, BAD move. Consciously control your body man. You got to do that.

Author:	Starbuck [ Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:17 pm ]
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Yeah I agree with that.. If you're avoiding eye contact, you'd might as well hang a loser sign around your neck. Don't stare, and always look into her eyes when you speak or listen. Pay attention, and go easy on the leaning in bit. People like their personal space, especially at first. If you come on to strong, you might scare her off. Especially if she's young. Yep, I know it seems like a tightrope act, and in some regards it is. Just the way women are, especially the younger variety. Typically the more attractive a woman is the more bizarre experiences with guys she's had. As guys are always falling all over themselves trying to get with her. Don't be that guy.

Author:	thebill [ Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:28 am ]
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So today I'm at the video store and approached the girl when no customers were around...she was behind the counter, checking out my movies. We had some small talk then I did some playful negging about her hair. Talked a bit more and turns out she's going to another country for vacation or something. As soon as my brain receives this, I kinda get this feeling of "oh well -- no point in pursuing now". So instead I did a email close which conveys the whole "lets keep in touch" thing...not sure was there much attraction. So no date anytime soon (and not like I'm going to be waiting around for her to come back). But the highlight is that the conversation we had was very smooth. The eye contact really draws her in and she seems engaged in the conversation. Even when its dead silence we still maintain eye contact. Anyways, I still got a lot to learn. Thanks guys, peace.

Author:	saintboon [ Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:36 am ]
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On the eye contact note, it doesn't have to be constant. You need to make eye contact with her when you are speaking, always, but when she is talking, it is all right to look away, have your interest diverted. She needs to work for your full attention by saying something interested, and by dropping IOIs. So no, never completely ignore eye contact, but instead use it to your advantage. And by looking away, I don't mean keep your head on a swivel like some sort of pre-pubescent AFC. I mean, *occasionally glance elsewhere. If you are constantly looking away, she will react aversly, by failing to look at you when you are speaking. So make sure to keep eye contact when you speak, and be a little more conservative with it when she speaks. You control the conversation.

Author:	L.A. Tripp [ Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:31 am ]
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So what if she's going on vacation. You had smooth convo and she maintained eye contact well with you. Pursue a get together with her before she leaves. How long is this "vacation"?

Author:	thebill [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:19 am ]
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She'll possibly stay there till the holidays are over (meaning maybe 2 months from now). I have her email but doesn't feel much use at this point. I would email her to stay in touch but I might just end up in the friend zone by doing that. Time to move on to the next one?

Author:	K!D FRE$H [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:54 am ]
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retail females are the cake! i always create a situation that gets them to approach me... (i walk right in their sales zone and start looking for stuff! even if it's a female section.)... makes for good opinion openers, "i was looking for my friend random female name* a stylish whateva but she's so hard to shop for cos she's a model." automatic DHV because she thinks you hangout with good looking model chicks and it shows ur not a tight wod with money. if i'm in the male section and she ask to help me, i ignore her or say something like, "nah, i'm good" without looking at her. sooner or later she'll return and i'll let her help me but neg everything she picks out... lol... make some jokes and have fun with it... make your not the only one laughing. then move with the whatever routine you'd like.

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