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| Author: | R.G. [ Mon May 03, 2010 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Advanced cold reading |
The last six months I’ve been working on taking my cold reading to a new level. It may not be everyone’s style, though if you are interested, read on. Some useful ways in which I use cold reading a) As an opener b) As a lead in to NLP patterns and/or hypnosis c) A vehicle for interesting and flowing conversation d) A quick method to create comfort and rapport e) Being fricken psychic The dangers/mistakes I have encountered I think I got a bit arrogant for my own good, thinking I could read people too much. This leads to assumptions which can hinder your game. For example on a day 2 in London a couple of weeks ago I thought Camilla was a virgin and had very little experience with guys, and so wasn’t that interested in her. I was very wrong, which prevented me from closing when I should have. TECHNIQUES IN THE METHOD It’s all about compounding techniques to give you the highest possible chance of being correct. It’s not what you say, it’s what she hears To begin with, it’s useful to build compliance. Compliance for me is also the cornerstone of successful hypnosis. It’s a bit like a compliment – a compliment will go down well if the girl is already attracted to you. Similarly, your cold read will more likely be accepted (regardless of how accurate it really is) if she already has a level of compliance with you. So start with small hoops/vague reads and build a level of rapport first. Using reliable methods to build compliance So I use some methods all the time that I am quite good at to build compliance first, so that the harder cold reads are more likely to come off. (Ever noticed the cube seems to work better if the girl is already into you a bit?) One example taken from NLP is the type of words the girl uses can be used as a give away to what representational system she uses. That is, is she primarily a visual/auditory/kinaesthetic/semantic person. This is a simplification but can lead to great cold reads, especially for patterning purposes: “You have a very vivid imagination, don’t you” or “You’re a very visual person, aren’t you”. She might say things like “Yeah I see” or “Yeah I hear you” or “Yeah I feel you”. That’s a stark comparison but you get the idea. More compliance There is no point starting a cold read if she is in a negative state. Remember, girls’ decisions are state-dependent; change her mood not her mind. So get her in a resourceful state before beginning. Starting vague There have been numerous experiments done in attempts to foil psychic readers by giving a generic read to many different people, and finding that all those people said it was astonishingly accurate. So vague comments that people really take to heart are useful. One really good one is “You keep a lot bottled up inside at times.” Going Sherlock Holmes on her Now we’re beginning to stack. Open your eyes, I mean really open your eyes. Before you even come up to the girl, what can you deduce about her? Is there a milk stain on her t-shirt suggesting she ate cereal for breakfast or drinks milk a lot? What does that tell you? If you go to her house or pass her car, there is a whole wealth of things you can use. Etc. Use of proxy questions One of the best methods I use is to ask a question that presupposes a different answer. For example if I ask her about her childhood, she might respond negatively. This may presuppose a lot of things, but it could be for instance, something wrong with her parents. You could ask a second proxy question to narrow this down. Timing If you used the method above and the proxy was quite obvious, you can do the cold read say 10-20 mins later when she’s forgotten about it. Then she will wonder how the hell you knew that she had a bad relationship with her parents. This can be taken further. For example at the beginning of a night you might overhear her friend call her by her full name. Then later in the night you could “guess” her surname (obviously not getting it right instantly, that’d be too obvious). Using people Which leads nicely onto the next technique – if she has friends around, use them! Ask them proxy questions about her, or ask them straight out about her! This is valuable information to use for your target. Information is power. Stacking with statistics & demographics This requires some level of dedication, but there are certain statistics that can really come in handy. It’s useful, for instance, to know statistics for the area you are in for girls around the age you are hitting on. So, what proportion of people who go to uni x do a y-related course? From this you could cold read her “So you are more of an artsy person right?” Psychological research is very useful for this, one I use often is research on birth order effects. Although the field is still somewhat of a grey area, the second child for instance, if born fairly close after the first one is likely to have an opposite personality (although this manifests in different ways). It’s also quite easy to guess how many siblings the girl has and what order she is in the birth chain. Clever use of language When you give a read you are not so sure about, increase your chances by the words you use. For instance, “A part of you likes to really open up to people once you get to know them”. By saying ‘a part of you’ you increase your chances massively. Another example is by appending “at times”. A part of us does anything at times! Analysing body language A picture tells a thousand words. If you were to ask about her childhood (using the example above), and she responds negatively, she might look up and to your right. This is more likely to suggest she is remembering (visualising) an experience(s). So she might have had a bad childhood experience. If she looks more down, to the right perhaps, then this is more likely to mean her childhood in general was bad (for a period, perhaps). You can use this by saying "Did you have a bad experience during your childhood?" (You may not want to elicit such negative states haha). Riding the wave Once you get good, you can use cold reading as magicians/mentalists do. They will often say vague things and watch closely for reactions in the subject. If she nods (probably unconsciously), then get more specific on that thread. If you get negative body language, change subject or move on. Example: “At times you just want to give up (eyebrows furrow) but you are very strong willed and rarely let this trouble you (now she is nodding, or she unfolds her arms), so you are a very dedicated and strong willed person when you want to be, is that correct?” Summary There is, as always, more to it, but this might wet your appetite. It's of course not necessary for pickup, but a fun skill to learn in and useful in many walks of life, particularly when you can understand how powerful it can be when it enriches your interactions and conversations with people. P.S. Not sure if this is the right section in the forum. But cold reading isn't really NLP/hypnotic seduction so... I wrote this for my own group, thought it might be useful here too. |
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| Author: | johnchangmai [ Mon May 03, 2010 6:11 pm ] |
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I think you have been watching "Lie to me " to much. Remember she is a person. Think how she might feel if she knew you were making a study of everything she said and did, body language wise. I think you obviously know what you are capable of but you may be overlooking the fact that some girls just like a chat. My game is full of holes and to be honest i don't game women that much any more. I have the ability to take my game a lot further like you. I prefer to leave the ladies in a better state of mind then when i found them, as i'm not that interested in being able to read them all the time. Every now and again some girl will blurt something out that will F..K up my game which makes me laugh. You seem like a decent guy. Relax a bit. |
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| Author: | R.G. [ Thu May 06, 2010 6:28 pm ] |
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Ooo, looks good, I'll see if I can download it first before buying it. The paperback edition is pretty cheap. Speaking of which, who was that dude who's really good at teaching languages that you told me ages ago? I need to get his stuff too. Another technique I wanted to add here is a very archaic and often overlooked one amongst magicians - and that's letting chance play out. You could completely take a punt on something about a girl but phrase it in such a way that if your guess is wrong, it won't seem as if you were trying to "read" her. Two personal successful examples (among the failed ones) that spring to mind include one I was talking to a girl about what dress she was going to buy for a ball, and I said in a jokey way, "ooooooo are you going to get a greeeen one?" And she was like "HOD DID YOU KNOW?". If I was wrong, it would have seemed more like a point of conversation than me trying to read her by the way I said it. The other one I did over text today actually and said to a girl "I can really imagine you in tights - I bet you look really hot". And she replied with a similar baffled response about how I knew. This was a much easier read though. Most girls of her demographic and physical spec wear tights at times. Incidentally, this same girl I originally thought it would be effort to get sexually experimental with her and she might not be that open/receptive to her sexual emotions - completely wrong. It never ceases to amaze me the extent of girls' sexual fantasies. But one has to separate stereotypes from cold reads, particularly me. Asian, 18, all girls college for most of her educational life. Much more likely to be a virgin than the norm...surely? Guess I'll just ask her. x |
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| Author: | R.G. [ Thu May 06, 2010 7:16 pm ] |
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Cheers boss. That's the same one my friend recommended - he has all the French CDs. x P.S. the girl above just told me she has a boyfriend...when earlier she was begging me to come over and do stuff to her...haha. Just. Classic. Right. |
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| Author: | Ezo [ Thu May 06, 2010 7:45 pm ] |
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I just had to say that I share your love for cold reading. Awesome, not only a good party trick but also awesome when it comes to judging what will work and not... |
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| Author: | R.G. [ Sat May 08, 2010 3:59 pm ] |
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yay! It's one of my favourite daygame openers. Like...(forgetting the body language which is more important)... "heey, stop, hold on a sec...sorry to interrupt...i just saw you walking by and thought, wow, you look like a really artistic person. I'm curious do you like to express yourself creatively? So there you fire a whole range of missiles, one of them will hit. If she's not artistic, you've got the creative line for her to hook onto. And most people like to think they're creative... |
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