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Author:  R.G. [ Fri May 15, 2009 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Sarging HB9
So, your generic HB9. Whatever that means to you, there's no doubt that she is smokin.

I've been wondering for a long time how the game changes the more attractive a girl gets, but specifically, my question is this:

Should we approach extremely hot girls by treating them generally 'bad', under the theory that everyone puts her on a pedestal, and we are being the exception to the rule. Treating bad can mean a variety of things; lowering her value relative to yours, negs, lots of teasing, ignoring her & addressing the group, etc.

Alternatively, should we just approach normally as if she were any other girl? Perhaps we think that most people are actually trying to treat her bad, and therefore just being normal is actually the exception to the rule. By treating her normally, I mean how you would treat your average HB6 (assuming you would actually bother to sarge a 6).

I know that every girl is different, and some might say treat them through a case by case basis, though come on, don't be boring! You may not even use any of the two options, but if you HAD to use one, which one are you more likely to go with?

Before you click the reply button, I've tried to use generic adjectives and have not given any opinions yet because I don't want to bias the answers. Looking forward to hearing all your varied views!
Author:  Sexcellent [ Fri May 15, 2009 11:35 pm ]
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i think it all depends on how you would normally approach a HB6. if someone approach's and HB6 with more confiedence then they approach an HB9, then by all means approach HB9's like HB6's! If someone approaches an HB6 by telling her how attractive she is, then by all means DO NOT approach HB9's like this.

personally i will be a lil more direct and nurturing with an HB6 then i would with a HB9. this is because most HB6's do not get hit on all the time. They might actually be flattered and welcome the idea of a guy hitting on them. gaming like this seems to be more successful, since they are probably more self conscious than your typical HB9. I think an HB6 will generally be interested in you if you demonstrate a genuine interest them.

Contrast this with HB9's:

Most HB9's get hit on ALL THE TIME. With these girls you will encounter bitch shields more often. So, you have to factor that in if you want to make it easier for yourself and increase your statistical success rate. With HB9's i'll typically use negs, a false time constraint, and i'll be very indirect. this way, she won't immediately think i'm trying to hit on her. This works to your advantage because she is not going to immediately percieve her value as being greater than yours. sorry but that is the reality of what happens in these situations. and before people go crazy, please note that this is callibrating in anticipation for "perceived" value not actual value.

if people REFUSE to game an HB9 any different than an HB6, then in my opinion they are not working as efficiently as they could be. yes i suppose some HB9's can be gamed like an HB6, but it will take many attempts with different girls. if you want it to be successful more often and more efficiently with HB9's then i think you have to callibrate based on how hot the girl you are talking to is.

So my answer is to treat an HB9 "bad" , and not like an HB6
Author:  jurupa [ Fri May 15, 2009 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sarging HB9
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I've been wondering for a long time how the game changes the more attractive a girl gets, but specifically, my question is this:
Why does your game need to change just because a girl is very physically attractive?
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Alternatively, should we just approach normally as if she were any other girl?
Yup. Because she is every other girl. Ya she is more physically attractive than other girls. But so what. She can have no personality or something else that is a complete turn off to you once you start talking to her. And by then it won't matter how good looking she is unless you just want a one night stand with a hot girl.
Author:  Rawbot [ Fri May 15, 2009 11:46 pm ]
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I would treat her as if she was an "HB10".
Author:  Sexcellent [ Sat May 16, 2009 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sarging HB9
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Why does your game need to change just because a girl is very physically attractive?
hotter girls should be gamed differently because they typically perceive guys that hit on them differently than girls who are not as attractive. if people want to be stubborn and not callibrate, then they are going to miss out on many opportunities with these girls.
Author:  jurupa [ Sat May 16, 2009 1:02 pm ]
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Why does your game need to change just because a girl is very physically attractive?
hotter girls should be gamed differently because they typically perceive guys that hit on them differently than girls who are not as attractive. if people want to be stubborn and not callibrate, then they are going to miss out on many opportunities with these girls.
Maybe it has to do with me living in an area that is loaded with hot girls. But so what if a hotter girl will/may perceive a guy that is hitting on them differently than a not so hot girl would. You say that I will miss out on a lot of opportunities with such girls for being stubborn, and yet my experience begs to differ.

The next time you are out gaming girls. Try gaming a hot girl and treat her like any other girl you game. And see what results you get compare to your adjusted game for such girls.
Author:  Wolfus [ Sat May 16, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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Aye, i'm agreeing with the HB6 crowd. If your using game to make yourself high value, you can treat everyone the same, and appear a lot more congruent.

Wolfus
Author:  Jaybot [ Sat May 16, 2009 7:03 pm ]
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I treat her like a guy friend, seems to work :? I think its jsut because it makes it so easy to dodge shit tests and be confident
Author:  R.G. [ Sat May 16, 2009 8:33 pm ]
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Thanks for all the responses so far. I am taking all these into account.
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I've been wondering for a long time how the game changes the more attractive a girl gets, but specifically, my question is this:
Why does your game need to change just because a girl is very physically attractive?


I think Sexcellent answered this question well in his post above yours. The perspective that your game doesn't need to change certainly has benefits, though overall, I think it would be more intelligent to figure that the world of a very hot girl is light years away from the world of an average-looking girl. To use the same model for both would appear to be inefficient. (Although, perhaps paradoxically, I'm inclined to agree with the 'HB6 crowd' haha.)

One of the reasons for my asking this question is that an AFC friend of mine recently got into a relationship with a HB9 (probably the hottest girl I've met), by being normal around her. Normal doesn't mean purposely treating her bad in order to compensate for her hotness. It doesn't mean hide the fact that she is hot. It just means be normal. Anyway, he was telling me how she gets upset sometimes because so many guys just treat her bad and tease her, because they think everyone values her too much. So they try to do the opposite and end up shooting too long.

At the same time, I feel as if oftentimes, you feel like you're forced to do something different just because you know they're so hot. But this mentality inherently invokes inconfidence.
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I treat her like a guy friend, seems to work Confused I think its jsut because it makes it so easy to dodge shit tests and be confident
I really like this. Might give this a try. Would have to be careful though that you're doing it naturally, and not trying to put it on; that would again lead to long-term incongruence problems.
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I'd treat her like any other girl. So what if she gets hit on all the time? If I perceive her as no better than the HB6, then I will communicate that overtly and subtly. Most of the guys hit on her, but most of the guys value her too much.

"It's not what you say, its how you say it"
The thing I like about the way you said this, is that you communicate the fact that her value is no higher than HB6 'obertly and subtly'. Because I think there is a danger here of 'trying' to be normal around HB9. She knows she's hot, she knows you know she's hot, and she knows that everyone knows that you know that I know that he knows that she knows that her dog knows that she's hot. So 'trying' to be normal around her is a minefield. It has to come from your inner game and mindset, communicated overtly and subtly...nice.
Author:  jurupa [ Sat May 16, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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I think Sexcellent answered this question well in his post above yours. The perspective that your game doesn't need to change certainly has benefits, though overall, I think it would be more intelligent to figure that the world of a very hot girl is light years away from the world of an average-looking girl. To use the same model for both would appear to be inefficient. (Although, perhaps paradoxically, I'm inclined to agree with the 'HB6 crowd' haha.)
The world of hot girls and normal girls is really not that all different. I know it may seem the two worlds are light years apart, but once you dealt with both its really all not that different. Take my word for it.
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One of the reasons for my asking this question is that an AFC friend of mine recently got into a relationship with a HB9 (probably the hottest girl I've met), by being normal around her. Normal doesn't mean purposely treating her bad in order to compensate for her hotness. It doesn't mean hide the fact that she is hot. It just means be normal. Anyway, he was telling me how she gets upset sometimes because so many guys just treat her bad and tease her, because they think everyone values her too much. So they try to do the opposite and end up shooting too long.
This is pretty much exactly why I treat 9's the same as 6's.
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At the same time, I feel as if oftentimes, you feel like you're forced to do something different just because you know they're so hot. But this mentality inherently invokes inconfidence.
I agree with that. But as your AFC friend has shown hot girls are people like us and for the most part want to be treated as such.
Author:  R.G. [ Mon May 18, 2009 8:59 pm ]
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Will do. Thanks for the insight dudes.
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