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| Author: | Cutter [ Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:21 pm ] |
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Ok now recently I particpated in a bit of a rant Quote: how about using your instincts...
Then I read a quote from Style that said....I am not opposed to buying a girl a drink if I feel there is already a connection. Some people in my age group (30+) would say that this is proper etiquette. If in CERTAIN scenarios I flat out refuse to buy a drink for a woman it's just as bad as if I refuse to open a door for a lady etc. Much like STYLE's are you a social robot post, I'm asking all of you to drop your own bitch shield and be a human being. If you wanna buy her a drink and you think that in this specific scenario it won't be a DLV then do it for god sake. Game is unique for each individual. Although there seem to be some comonalities we can all benefit from internalizing. For God sakes think for yourself. Now I will say that when I'm in a trendy club and I'm dealing with women in there early 20s, then I tend to avoid buyind drinks. Myself and other posters here have stories to tell about girls who have a "rule" that they aren't buying their own drinks. When a girl like this asks me to buy her a drink. I say in a patronizing way "I'm sorry, I have a rule. I don't buy girls drinks in bars...but you can buy me one!" or..."I tell you what I don't buy drinks for girls in bars...but I'll give you a test and if you pass the test I'll buy you a drink but if you fail you have to buy me a drink...now I'm going to ask you 5 questions...blah blah blah" None of us want to do what AFC's do. HBs who want us to buy them drinks are essentially giving us a shit test. So....pass the damn test...if you are in a social circle where it's a faux pax to refuse, then buy the damn drink (country club, high income business people etc). The shit test here is "does he have any class". But...in a club/bar the shit test is are you a AFC loser like all the other guys here or are you someone special. So make her earn her drink. Or find a way to tell her you can't do it that makes here feel like she just failed YOUR SHIT TEST. Reverse that shit on her and now you are DHVing. Just me 2 cents Cutter Quote: Now, I do not date and do not pay (unless I’m already in a relationship)
Now I still feel that as described above we should know when to bend/break one of the pua rules, it is my preference not to. So along that same thought pattern. Please respond to this thread with ideas and thoughts you have about how to avoid paying for stuff and appearing AFC without appearing cheap. Later, Cutter |
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| Author: | xfman [ Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:58 pm ] |
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Dear Cutter; Thats why you should not be reading those books (the rules) theya re affecting you. Just joking. The problem here is the context, it all depends on the context. Yes... You can pay for something but it all depends on how the situation develops, we don't buy girls drinks because they are used to it. WE ARE THE EXCEPTION OF THE RULE. HB are so used to this guys that just want to get into her pants and they buy her drinks just to do that. Now if she earn it , then you can buy her a drink , but ONLY AND I SAY ONLY if she deserves it, if you feel it will be proper to do it , and you will see the results when you buy her something in the right moment. In the other hand I Don't recommend buying things unless you know how to calibrate the IOIs and the responses. In a nutshell; Try not to buy unless she really deserves it. But don't look cheap. But don't look needy |
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| Author: | Romeo7 [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:53 am ] |
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Dear Xfman... You're a Seducer brain, cool, me too Now, what Xfman said is very very true Cutter Just like giving a compliment, buying her drink or anything else MUST have a reason. The only reason why you should give/pay her something is if she deserves it. This is called COMPLIANCE How far is she willing to make you pleased? If she does something that deserves your attention, then you give her affection, if she doesn't, why would you? The further she tries to win you over, the more you give her, get it my brother? cool I would say this is the hardest part of the game, and one part where men fail When a woman starts giving them something, they automatically give in and act pleased, You never do, not if all you wanna do is get laid If you're looking for a relantioship, then you can. So, let's review Compliance is how much she does for you, Examples: - A girl ignored YOU when you offered her a drink LOW COMPLIANCE - A woman ignores another guy to talk to you HIGH COMPLIANCE - The PIMP who has all his ho's on the corners so they can meet his needs TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE! Of course you dont need women to sale themselves to please you (and you better not), So, if you wanna buy the girl a drink, forget about what other people say, just remember to ask yourself "how much has she done to earn it?" If and only if YOU FEEL she's done enough, you do it If not, you can do cocky & funny, and reverse it on her |
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